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Cursive First? [message #819682] Thu, 16 March 2017 16:32 Go to next message
Jamie
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Late December, I posted with a little anxiety over Jonah's improper pencil grip. I'm not sure what I can contribute it to, but he's pretty close to great right now with it, needing only a small reminder now and again.

Which now has me thinking ahead to handwriting.

While he can recognize almost all lower and upper case letters. We've practiced using various fonts. We've used some tracing cards and sand trays (I pour salt into a square dish and he can write the letter/number with his finger) while we've practiced recognition.

Has anyone here went straight to cursive rather than print for handwriting? A momentary encounter with a mother (I don't know or I would ask her) who used Abeka said that they start with cursive.

I've read (and vaguely remember) handwriting became worse in the third grade with the headache of unlearning and learning handwriting. Would I be cutting out a chunk of frustration for both of us by starting with cursive? Or is there some unseen to me "aha" moment or skill to be lost if I skip printing?


Peace
Re: Cursive First? [message #819684 is a reply to message #819682 ] Fri, 17 March 2017 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elliemaejune  is currently offline elliemaejune
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Jamie wrote on Thu, 16 March 2017 15:32

Late December, I posted with a little anxiety over Jonah's improper pencil grip. I'm not sure what I can contribute it to, but he's pretty close to great right now with it, needing only a small reminder now and again.

Which now has me thinking ahead to handwriting.

While he can recognize almost all lower and upper case letters. We've practiced using various fonts. We've used some tracing cards and sand trays (I pour salt into a square dish and he can write the letter/number with his finger) while we've practiced recognition.

Has anyone here went straight to cursive rather than print for handwriting? A momentary encounter with a mother (I don't know or I would ask her) who used Abeka said that they start with cursive.

I've read (and vaguely remember) handwriting became worse in the third grade with the headache of unlearning and learning handwriting. Would I be cutting out a chunk of frustration for both of us by starting with cursive? Or is there some unseen to me "aha" moment or skill to be lost if I skip printing?


In the history of the world, manuscript is a very new thing. Children always learned cursive first, because there was nothing else. Smile

Even when your child learns cursive, he will still need to know manuscript; think about any time you fill out a form. Doesn't it usually say, "Please print"? Also, when doing maps, things are usually labeled in manuscript, not cursive.

The different styles of penmanship are called "hands." "Font" refers to the characters used in books and whatnot (including what we see on computer text). Smile

Some people think that learning cursive first helps keep children who are inclined to be dyslexic from, well, being dyslexic. Smile Which is true, because it's much trickier to write cursive in the wrong direction. It can be done, but it's tricky. I think mostly children form their letters incorrectly because they have not been taught properly; they've mostly just tried to copy what they see, and you can't always intuit how letters are written. Smile

One of the many reasons I like Spalding is that the children first learn manuscript, with very specific instructions on letter formation, and then they learn to join their manuscript letters into connected writing, which morphs into cursive.

At any rate, I think children can know both cursive and manuscript without messing up either. Smile


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Re: Cursive First? [message #819747 is a reply to message #819682 ] Thu, 30 March 2017 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tracy in Peru  is currently offline Tracy in Peru
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I'm just seeing this. I taught six doing printing and then cursive later. This time, with my youngest who is six and my granddaughter who is also six and we are learning cursive first.
HUGE difference. I like it much better. It takes longer at the start, but it works better all the way around in my opinion.

They are picking up the printing on their own because they see it when they read. I do plan to "teach" it at some point.

Every time we switched to cursive, there was the transition period that was very painful. The kids wanted to write the answers for their homework quickly and they had to laboriously do cursive.

I also see less "creative" spelling because they are writing more slowly and have time to think about what they are spelling.

We have done strictly lower case right now. I don't even plan to add the uppercase (except for their personal names) until it comes up in Grammar.

Each girl has a little laminate alphabet card. When they are writing, if they can't remember how to form a letter, they can sing the alphabet until they find the sample letter to follow.

This is the one thing I would change if I had to go back and do it all over again.


In Him--Tracy
Re: Cursive First? [message #819748 is a reply to message #819747 ] Thu, 30 March 2017 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie
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Tracy, could you share if you are using something purchased for handwriting or if you're just winging it? Thanks for the feed back.


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Re: Cursive First? [message #819751 is a reply to message #819748 ] Thu, 30 March 2017 22:10 Go to previous message
Tracy in Peru  is currently offline Tracy in Peru
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We used Write Through the Bible Junior (cursive) from Intoxicatedlife.com and then I made my own worksheets at handwritingworksheets.com

Specifically we started with tracing names, then went to writing the first letter and tracing the rest, writing two letters and tracing the rest, etc. for the names. We did a new letter about every three days (not five like the book). Then with lots and lots of that old school red line, dotted line, blue line paper we practiced hooking them together. ab, ac, ad, ae, etc.

I introduced the letters in order they are introduced in the Bob books....not abc order. So it sort of worked with our reading.

Then we wrote simple cvc words they could sound out (cat, dog, pup) etc.

We have done lots of review and I still gets lots of extra strokes and swirly things, but for six, I think they do pretty well. The writing ability is definitely behind the reading ability.

Right now we are doing some copy work and some dictation a couple times a week. And I am trying to work that up to being a daily thing. Whichever we are doing, we do about three times with me correcting after each attempt. Usually the third one looks pretty good. My left hander has more issues, I think just how she has to process writing differently. The right hander is pretty legible, but still needs help with how to connect some letters.....like anything with a "wing" like connecting w-i in the word 'with' is still kind of tricky.

We also sort of developed our own language for things too....we have loop de loops, monkey tails, humps, wings, over and backs, etc. One thing that wasn't stressed in the book, I make them start every letter on the red line. So, a "c" comes with a "hood" which is the upstroke before curving on top.

I hope that helps.


In Him--Tracy
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