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Clocks in school - yep [message #813954] Sun, 27 September 2015 09:07 Go to next message
Jamie
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Admittedly, I know more from conversations than from news report. There are holes in what I know, but google is only showing me the more sensational and less "here's how it went down" type news.

From what I understand a young man (boy - not sure if this is middle school or highschool) by the name of Ahmed brought to school a homemade clock. My understanding is the clock was basically a small wooden box with wires sticking out. I've also heard that the clock was inside a briefcase, so I'm not sure why a small wooden box with wires would have been the initial description. I've also heard that he plugged said suitcase into the wall of his English classroom. That the briefcase (or its' contents) began to beep and disrupt the classroom is how the device was discovered.

I don't know if he was asked what it was, if there was an inquiry of what was making the noise, or what actually occurred other than the English teacher carried the device (still enclosed in the suitcase? after it was opened?) to the front office. I don't know if it was at this time the homemade device was identified by the student as a clock or not. I don't know if it was at this time that the homemade device was thought to be a bomb or not. (IF so, it was pretty dumb to move the device instead of evacuating the area...or did that happen?)

Once in the office - what happened before the police were called? After the police were called? I've heard the boy was placed in handcuffs. Was a bomb expert called in?

I know the boy was given the maximum suspension dates for a minimum offense (3 days). I'm assuming the minimum offense was class disruption or something of the sort?

Was the clock a tech assignment? Something he did on his own and was bringing to show his science experiment? Just something cool he did on his own and brought to show buddies?

I understand the father has not only taken Ahmed out of the public school system, but has decided to homeschool his son and his other children.

I understand the father has hired two lawyers (not sure why two) - one of which will retrieve the clock (guessing so the family doesn't have to be in the same room as school officials who made the call to call the police).

I have also been told that the father is claiming religious persecution. Is that true (is he claiming this, or is he saying things were racially motivated...I'm hearing both).

To me, again, just piecing together what I can, it doesn't sound as if things were racially motivated, or persecution taking place because of religion. Though, admittedly, I don't know the make up of the climate of either at the school or district.

There's a lot of coffee-talk here really ripping into the story and angles I've shared. There's a lot of, "if the kid weren't a muslim would this be a story?" I think, no, at least not nationally and prolonged as it is. The story is being kept alive by the media because this was a muslim with a clock (feared bomb). There's a lot of "if the kid were white would he have been suspended" and "if the kid were white would they thought it was a bomb?" To the second question, yes, I think that it would have been thought a bomb...to be honest, would they have been suspended? I'm about 50/50 on that once relief set in that it wasn't a bomb...I'd like to lean on thinking that both would have the same answer as the outcome Ahmed received.

Can you fill in the blanks for me from the questions above or your own take on the issue.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 September 2015 09:08]


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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813957 is a reply to message #813954 ] Sun, 27 September 2015 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rosemary-MI  is currently offline Rosemary-MI
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It's a Chicken Little - the sky is falling story. They kicked another boy out of school because he chewed his pop-tart into a shape of a gun. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/student-suspended-for-pop -tart-gun/

Was the "bomb" a dumb thing to do? Yes, his parents should be sued for being stupid enough to let him take it to school in the first place. It looked suspicious and with all the shootings and bombings going on all over the world I would be nervous as a teacher these days. BUT..I think I would have reacted better.

I think we (as a nation) need to relax a little and get reasonable about these things.

~Rosemary

[Updated on: Sun, 27 September 2015 14:11]


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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813960 is a reply to message #813954 ] Sun, 27 September 2015 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa T.  is currently offline Lisa T.
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From all I was able to tell, once the panic was over, it was clear to everyone (even the school administration) that the boy had no intention to cause any problem. He had been in the habit of bringing such projects to his previous school and had been admired for his cleverness. So, naively, he brought this project in to show his science teacher.

Really, although the English teacher had a reasonable concern, I personally think that once it was determined not to be a bomb or an intentional representation of a bomb, and the kid's intentions were clear, someone should have just explained to him what all the ruckus was about, and tell him an appropriate way to bring in electronics projects in the future (maybe check in with the office and have the electronics teacher check it and pick it up).

Ridiculous to arrest the kid and ridiculous to suspend him, in my opinion.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 September 2015 18:05]


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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813961 is a reply to message #813954 ] Sun, 27 September 2015 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Leigh  is currently offline Leigh
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Did they evacuate the school? No. That's all I need to know.


Leigh
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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813971 is a reply to message #813960 ] Mon, 28 September 2015 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie
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Lisa T. wrote on Sun, 27 September 2015 18:04

From all I was able to tell, once the panic was over, it was clear to everyone (even the school administration) that the boy had no intention to cause any problem. He had been in the habit of bringing such projects to his previous school and had been admired for his cleverness. So, naively, he brought this project in to show his science teacher.

Really, although the English teacher had a reasonable concern, I personally think that once it was determined not to be a bomb or an intentional representation of a bomb, and the kid's intentions were clear, someone should have just explained to him what all the ruckus was about, and tell him an appropriate way to bring in electronics projects in the future (maybe check in with the office and have the electronics teacher check it and pick it up).

Ridiculous to arrest the kid and ridiculous to suspend him, in my opinion.


See, I had no information exposing any of that: about his past school and similar projects...or even if the item "looked" like a bomb. I had half thought perhaps - knowing boys and knowing school boys were often trying to push boundaries and "be cool" that maybe he made a clock in a style that looked like a Bugs Bunny type bomb. Mistaking it or not for "real" I thought perhaps that was part of the issue (I have seen *no* photo of the clock at all, so it was just presumption based on the hub-bub). The plugged in suitcase with the beeping made me question the rest. It didn't make sense. What also didn't make sense was the teacher's initial reaction. To *me* if I am alone with a bunch of young students and I think that there's enough there to have reasonable doubt...I'm filing the kids out of the class room and notifying the front office that we're getting the heck out of there until someone can check it out. If I think it is just a contraption, I might send the student up to the office with a charge of class disruption at worst. I still don't see this being a religious based thing.

(And the pop-tart story linked above - I vaguely remember that as the briefest of news stories when gun law was a hotter debate than is today.)


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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813973 is a reply to message #813954 ] Mon, 28 September 2015 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa T.  is currently offline Lisa T.
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I don't think "religion" played into it as much as race/ethnicity. Somehow an Arab/Islamic kid with something that looks like a bomb is scarier than if it were an Irish kid. Prejudice, but that's the deal...


Lisa T.
Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813976 is a reply to message #813973 ] Mon, 28 September 2015 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie
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Lisa T. wrote on Mon, 28 September 2015 11:35

I don't think "religion" played into it as much as race/ethnicity. Somehow an Arab/Islamic kid with something that looks like a bomb is scarier than if it were an Irish kid. Prejudice, but that's the deal...

I can see the argument for that, but the kid with the poptart, using Google Image as a source, appears to be a white, might as well be Irish kid. I don't think that the school made that jump (essentially a suicide bomber) as much as the media might be trying to steer it in that direction.


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Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813979 is a reply to message #813954 ] Mon, 28 September 2015 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I've not read too much. Here's a "pro" article:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/16/14-year-old-boy-arrested-fo r-bringing-homemade-clock-to-school/

Here's an interesting "con" article. I don't know enough about the situation, but this is thought provoking to me (not saying I agree, just that it is thought provoking):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206669938978570&am p;set=a.4472888591756.165247.1576142357&type=1


This one was also thought-provoking, especially this paragraph:
If we stop and think – was it really such a ridiculous reaction from the teacher and the police in the first place? How many school shootings and incidents of violence have we had, where we hear afterwards “this could have been prevented, if only we paid more attention to the signs!” Teachers are taught to be suspicious and vigilant.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Clocks in school - yep [message #813983 is a reply to message #813954 ] Tue, 29 September 2015 01:02 Go to previous message
Robin H.  is currently offline Robin H.
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Never mind.



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