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the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475641] Sat, 15 November 2008 21:09 Go to next message
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Okay, seems all the young people are talking about Twilight. I have no clue what it is. Can somebody fill me in?

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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475643 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sat, 15 November 2008 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very short synopsis - it's about a girl who falls in love with a vampire. I ready the reviews, and decided nope, dd was NOT going to read it any time soon. (And dd is 16.)


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475644 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sat, 15 November 2008 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fundamentally, it's a young adult romance novel filled with vampires and werewolves and humans. There's a series of four (I think) novels and they are wildly popular. The movie comes out this week. In my dd's Christian school, the girls are in two camps--the "I'm not reading them, and you shouldn't either" camp and the "Ooooh, I LOVE these books!" camp.


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475648 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sat, 15 November 2008 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The soundtrack hit #1 on the 'charts' before the movie opened.


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475659 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sat, 15 November 2008 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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my kids will not be reading them...but they are not really interested anyway


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475683 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sat, 15 November 2008 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of the Christian websites reviewed the books. It was an honest review and I am letting my daughter read them.
Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475734 is a reply to message #475683 ] Sun, 16 November 2008 01:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My dds, 20 and 18, read and enjoyed the books. They are going with a college Christian group to the movie next week. Dh and I don't preview their reading selections anymore any more so I haven't read the books. They show good judgment - although we have very different tastes. Very Happy


[Updated on: Sun, 16 November 2008 01:48]


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475749 is a reply to message #475643 ] Sun, 16 November 2008 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Teri in AZ wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 13:13

Very short synopsis - it's about a girl who falls in love with a vampire. I ready the reviews, and decided nope, dd was NOT going to read it any time soon. (And dd is 16.)


Yup - teen romance with supernatural/occult themes. Think "Sweet Valley High" with vampires, if you can...


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #475770 is a reply to message #475641 ] Sun, 16 November 2008 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My kids have heard a lot of talk about it from friends at band and various places. We won't be reading it. We have some clear lines (for our family--not for every family), and teen romance is not our choice in the first place, and vampires would clinch the deal if there were any doubt otherwise.


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481061 is a reply to message #475641 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I read the books and honestly they were great. I would not let my daughter read them. Ecspecially if your family took the courting approach or you were going to hold off dating as long as you could. Although it is not explicit in a sexual way, it is very intense....very intense on a emotional level. Your daughters would want a boyfriend. Song of Solomon says to not awaken love before it's time... I think this book would do that.

I read the first Harry Potter book. It was a great book I WOULD NOT READ ANYMORE. It is very occultic...uses real witch craft practices. I would not let my children read those books based on these reasons. I write this to say that Twilight didn't bother me on the occultic level.

[Updated on: Mon, 01 December 2008 12:55]

Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481079 is a reply to message #475641 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The vampire theme is enough to say no thank you in my house Wink, but I'm also concerned about the author's beliefs:

http://www.sj-r.com/beliefs/x466663776/-Twilight-author-s-Mo rmon-faith-a-big-influence-in-books-film


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Tamara

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Thanks for link [message #481082 is a reply to message #481079 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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am forwarding to our youth pastor


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481089 is a reply to message #481061 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I"m on my way out the door to drive kids to swim practice, but I will be back to comment on these books. I read them as a favor to another homeschool mom; she wanted help evaluating them. I can't even begin to find the words to describe how strongly I object to these books. I absolutely loathe them and would love to tell you why when I have a little more time.


Barbara K (NC)

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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481110 is a reply to message #475641 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Barbara,

I'm looking forward to your comments. We had a conversation yesterday in SS regarding the movie/series.


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481133 is a reply to message #475641 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a vampire movie. The book series is very popular with teens. My sons have no interest in it. They've never been vampire fans. They were never interested in the whole Harry Potter thing either.

I have to admit that I grew up watching Creature Feature on Saturday afternoons and I became a big "creature" fan; I never outgrew it. I have no plans to see it at the theater, but I might rent it when it comes out on video. No plans to read the books.

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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481196 is a reply to message #475641 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's another review I ran across:

http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=10603


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481204 is a reply to message #481196 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I posted above my dds have read the books and saw the movie. They didn't really like the movie.


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One more...this is pretty frightening imo [message #481267 is a reply to message #481196 ] Mon, 01 December 2008 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's one more review with more specific details. This is pretty frightening imo, but then I know a young woman who got pulled into an abusive, controlling relationship which was remarkably similar to some of the things mentioned in this book. (Obviously HE was not a "vampire", but if you read this review, you'll understand what I mean.)

This is NOT the message I want to give my daughters --or anyone for that matter!

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTE4OTNmNzcxNDAzMTI3MTk 5MWFkZTllNDQzZmZlNDA

[Updated on: Mon, 01 December 2008 22:40]


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Re: One more...this is pretty frightening imo [message #481354 is a reply to message #481267 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for sharing this, Tamara. This article explains some of my grave concerns about these books.

The books are very seductive and deeply sensual. The main characters do not have se*, but the se*ual tension throughout the books is palpable.

To add to the concerns addressed by the article:

The relationship between Bella and Edward is completely based in physical attraction that Bella feels toward Edward. Nothing in the books make Edward seem attractive as a CHARACTER. Reading these books as an adult, it's very clear to me that Edward is not nice and not good. The author herself doesn't seem to see that about the character that SHE has created! HIs alleged physical beauty seems to have blinded even his creator!

The undertones of massive abuse and control throughout the book are extremely disturbing. The willingness on the part of Bella to give herself over to evil because she is consumed by this huge, passionate LOVE is disturbing.She willingly signs up to lose herself, to be willing to kill even her own family in order to be with Edward forever.

The MOST disturbing part is that these books are a real phenom. Young women all over the country are swooning over the kind of "love" they see in these books. I've heard that the theaters are full of sighing and gasps during the movie!

I feel that the books are cultivating a total deception of what love is. But the deception is very seductive and evidently very appealing to many young women (and according to the articles, to their mothers as well!)

I was filled with revulsion when I read the books...revulsion at the twisted, bent, perverted picture of love and relationship. I'm also alarmed that apparently many, many people are not seeing how abusive and twisted these characters are.

If I can think of the rest of the things that I object to, I"ll edit this post to include them.


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Some further thoughts...about THINKING! :-) [message #481355 is a reply to message #481267 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For some reason I woke up this morning thinking about this subject. As Christians, we want to have a Biblical view of the roles of husband and wife, yet there are often few godly examples.

Many of us grew up without that example, and we have sometimes struggled to find the proper balance of submission so that we portray it as God intended. My point is, this is not an easy concept or subject because of all the ungodly influences.

We have some tossing out all concept of submission on one hand, and then to the other extreme, we have unhealthy, controlling, and even abusive relationships between husbands and wives.

I've seen it in homeschooling circles --how many times women struggle with knowing how to be "meek and quiet" submissive wives without forsaking their own God-given personality and gifts?

Of course it's possible to have a wonderful balance of submission and headship and be in a fulfilling and healthy marriage --by God's grace some (I hope many!) of us here experience that. But this takes the Holy Spirit's work in our lives and renewing our *minds*!

The danger I see in books like these is that they portray a totally unhealthy relationship, with unhealthy attitudes and actions, yet present it as so romantic and completely acceptable! (Taking the "vampire" image out of the picture for a moment and substituting a real man. Wink) Would we really want our daughters getting involved with men like this? Or think it's acceptable and romantic? How about our sons acting like this guy?

Some say it's just fiction --relax and be entertained; it's "clean" --no premarital s_x or bad language. Yet it's often the subtle messages (which don't seem that subtle in this case) that are the most harmful influences and the more people "relax and enjoy" this type of book or movie, the more they can be pulled in without even *thinking* about it!

And that's the whole problem --we need to THINK about the messages we are taking in and be discerning, and as much as we drill that concept into our kids, we have to remember there is a WAR going on and deception is rampant.

I've seen the results of "good" Christian women (even those brought up in godly homes) getting pulled into unhealthy, controlling, manipulative relationships and marriages and it is tragic. A nightmare. Destroying families and wreaking havoc.

And when someone is deceived, it is extremely difficult to reach them aside from the supernatural work of God.

That's why I want to prevent it from happening as much as I can!
That's why I can get fired up about subjects like this, and since this IS Hot Topics, I'll be blunt. Wink


Blessings,
Tamara

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Barbara, we posted at the exact same time... [message #481358 is a reply to message #481354 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Barbara, we posted at the exact same time, and you said some of the things I was trying to explain! I completely agree!


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Tamara

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Re: Some further thoughts...about THINKING! :-) [message #481359 is a reply to message #481355 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tamara, it looks like we were posting at the same time. I just want to say a hearty AMEN to this post as well as my comments above.


Barbara K (NC)

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Re: Barbara, we posted at the exact same time... [message #481360 is a reply to message #481358 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL, we did it again! Laughing


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Re: Barbara, we posted at the exact same time... [message #481361 is a reply to message #481360 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Barbara K (NC) wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 08:58

LOL, we did it again! Laughing


Laughing Laughing Well, you know what they say.... Wink

Amen! Preach on, Sistah!


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Tamara

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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481373 is a reply to message #475641 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm glad you brought this up. I have never heard of these books but just yesterday my sister was telling me that several of my nieces and nephews are reading them and very enthralled!

I could never understand an interest in vampires. Aren't they dead and have to suck blood? That is not something that clicks in my head as being interesting or romantic. YUCK!



Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481414 is a reply to message #481079 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tamara Eaton wrote on Mon, 01 December 2008 13:09

The vampire theme is enough to say no thank you in my house Wink, but I'm also concerned about the author's beliefs:

http://www.sj-r.com/beliefs/x466663776/-Twilight-author-s-Mo rmon-faith-a-big-influence-in-books-film





Thanks Tamara!

Dh and I went to see this because several of our teens within are church have been reading the series and 'absolutely love the books.' We have not allowed dd to read them & wanted to see what all the 'hype' was about. I have always enjoyed the OLD, (VERY OLD) versions of 'creature films' - the Vincent Price ones -- NOT the ones made in the last 25 years.

My first impression was good movie -- there was not any foul language, no risque scenes, no gore (although there is the 'apperance' of killing, but you don't see the actual killing). However, I began thinking about the movie after viewing it and was really confused why I felt it was good. There was the idea of an abusive-type controlled relationship, one based on physical attraction. Also, giving the impression that as humans, we are basically animal in nature when it comes to relationships.

The one thing that really confused me was at one point Edward shows her who he really is -- he is glistening, almost God-like in appearance.

After reading about the author, now I understand where this comes from.

This will NOT be one the girls will see, nor will they read the books -- nope, nope, nope.
Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481427 is a reply to message #475641 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I hadn't heard of either the books, or the movie until that came out. After reading the reviews, wow, I am shocked.

I do have a question, for those that have either read the book, or saw the movie. This is not sarcastic, I am seriously wanting to know.

After reading something of this nature, how do you, as a christian feel afterwards? Are the reviews untrue, or is there a conviction that while it may have been permissable, it wasn't profitable?

I am trying to figure out why there is such a great divide amongst christians when it comes to occult themes.

I see that Dimples was the first to respond, although I had not posted yet.


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481444 is a reply to message #481427 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm also not being sarcastic, Kim. Are you asking, "How can you read such a book and call yourself a Christian?" or "How can you call yourself a Christian and read a book like that in good conscience?"

I do have an answer, but I'd like to know what you're really asking before I answer.


Barbara K (NC)

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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481464 is a reply to message #481444 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know there is wisdom in choosing proper reading material but this is a wide margin thing for a lot of Christians parents. I know of many Christians who forbid anywhere from Shakespeare to Disney. There are great arguments for both sides and we have to make our own decisions.

Having said that, I appreciate all the links and will be forwarding the links to my dds. I do this frequently. Wink

Thank you all for the great input.

[Updated on: Tue, 02 December 2008 19:32]


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481470 is a reply to message #481427 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Are the reviews untrue, or is there a conviction that while it may have been permissable, it wasn't profitable?

I am trying to figure out why there is such a great divide amongst christians when it comes to occult themes.


Quote:

I'm also not being sarcastic, Kim. Are you asking, "How can you read such a book and call yourself a Christian?" or "How can you call yourself a Christian and read a book like that in good conscience?"


I often ponder these things as well.

Barbara, I'm not Kim, but I would not in any way equate watching/reading such things as being connected to one's salvation. However, I often wonder where the discernment is.

When I read passages in the Bible such as Deut 18:10-12, Lev. 19:31, 2 Kings 21:6 and others (don't have time for in-depth verse-searching. Smile), I see a clear sense that we are to avoid the occult, and messing around with the spirits of the dead and so forth.

In my mind, there is a clear dichotomy between God's Spirit and the spiritual world of Satan and his demons. My struggle is not "how can you be a Christian and still read this stuff?" but "how can you read these passages of scripture and still think these things are okay for Christians to participate in?"

But, in the end, I figure it's like everything else. I can share my point of view and understanding, but each person has to read scripture and let God speak to his heart for himself. (Awkward sentence structure, but hopefully the meaning is clear!)


Blessings,
Lisa R.
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Lisa R. wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 12:40

Quote:

Are the reviews untrue, or is there a conviction that while it may have been permissable, it wasn't profitable?

I am trying to figure out why there is such a great divide amongst christians when it comes to occult themes.


Quote:

I'm also not being sarcastic, Kim. Are you asking, "How can you read such a book and call yourself a Christian?" or "How can you call yourself a Christian and read a book like that in good conscience?"


I often ponder these things as well.

Barbara, I'm not Kim, but I would not in any way equate watching/reading such things as being connected to one's salvation. However, I often wonder where the discernment is.

When I read passages in the Bible such as Deut 18:10-12, Lev. 19:31, 2 Kings 21:6 and others (don't have time for in-depth verse-searching. Smile), I see a clear sense that we are to avoid the occult, and messing around with the spirits of the dead and so forth.

In my mind, there is a clear dichotomy between God's Spirit and the spiritual world of Satan and his demons. My struggle is not "how can you be a Christian and still read this stuff?" but "how can you read these passages of scripture and still think these things are okay for Christians to participate in?"

But, in the end, I figure it's like everything else. I can share my point of view and understanding, but each person has to read scripture and let God speak to his heart for himself. (Awkward sentence structure, but hopefully the meaning is clear!)


Barbara, What she said. I think of the verse "what does light have to do with darkness". Is this occult themed or not? If it is, do we have liberty to participate anyway? I am preaching to myself first.

Even though we know of Paul's struggle with sin, why he did the things he didn't want to do, and I know it is still our struggle, why are we not enlightened (in a non New Age way) to just stop, and walk by the Spirit?

I am in a discussion, that is likely to get heated. Thanks, Tamara, for the contributing link that caused the uproar with one person. Her final opinion was don't trust someone's review, read it for yourself and decide. Doesn't that come down to our own personal preference, and our view of what we think is right? My heart is too deceitful to be trusted in such matters. I usually come in the front door. I read the reviews and filter those through the Bible. I feel so alien in this world. Please tell me I am not the only one.

Also, I think discernment is key. Perhaps, we who have those leanings fly our flags too early. Many times, the truth comes out later, while the messengers have already been shot.


"....And if your Master’s truth offends the gentlemen to whom you speak of it let them be offended. His name we must confess; of His glory we will continually talk…" Charles Spurgeon
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Kim L. from MO wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 13:18

I feel so alien in this world. Please tell me I am not the only one.


You're not the only one.


John 17:15-16 I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:18 As Thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.

Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



“If I find in myself a desire which no experience in the world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.” --C.S. Lewis


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Tamara

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Janice T. wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 12:32

I will also be forwarding the links to my dds. I do this frequently. Wink



So do I. In fact, I woke up one dear offspring this morning and asked this dear one to be sure to check out this thread. Laughing


Blessings,
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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481539 is a reply to message #481482 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barbara K (NC)
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I keep writing and re-writing....because I don't want to sound defensive. I truly don't FEEL a need to defend my reading of these books. I'll admit that I do feel a little defensive, however, by what seems to be an implication that I have no discernment. Lisa wrote, "I would not in any way equate watching/reading such things as being connected to one's salvation. However, I often wonder where the discernment is." Ouch.

So I want to start from the beginning. Another homeschooling mom asked me to read these books so that we could discuss them and I could help her with discernment. I've done this quite a bit--read popular books and then talk through the content with another mom, looking at the different assumptions and worldview of the book and examining it through the lens of scripture. (Yep, I"ve gone thru the Harry Potter books with several different moms, looking at those issues.)

Long ago, in my life before children, I was an English teacher, so analyzing books is something I've had a bit of practice doing. If a certain book violates my conscience, I don't read it. (I rarely see movies because movies hit me very, very differently than do books.)

Back to the Meyer books, the mom who asked me to read them did so because her own 19 y/o daughter is quite taken with them. All of her dd's friends are taken with them as well. My friend, A., wants to be able to discuss the books with these girls and ask probing questions that will get these young ladies thinking about what they're actually reading. I've met twice now with A. and will probably meet at least one more time with her. She's already had some interesting, provocative discussions with both her daughter and her daughter's friends. She's been able to challenge her daughter to examine WHY she has gotten so sucked into these stories.

My hope and prayer is that our discussions will spark some discernment in these young women. Please don't hear this as boasting, but I haven't read these books because of a LACK of discernment on my part, but in order to exercise discernment about the books....and to come alongside another mom as she develops discernment in herself and in her dd. In no way am I encouraging ANYONE to read these books.

I've probably read a LOT of books that many of you wouldn't. I don't think we all need to read everything objectionable that becomes popular. I just know that God has equipped me to engage with Christians and non-Christians alike in this area.

And to address a word that both Lisa and Kim used....I don't believe that reading a book for discernment and teaching purposes should be termed "participating." I don't participate in the occult simply because I've read these books. (Any more than reading Shakespeare's Macbeth, complete with its ghost, means that I participate in the occult when I read Shakespeare.) I would strongly urge anyone with a history in the occult and a proclivity to be interested in the occult to avoid these books. Reading isn't participating, but it could lead to participating for some people.


Kim L. from MO wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 14:18



Also, I think discernment is key. Perhaps, we who have those leanings fly our flags too early. Many times, the truth comes out later, while the messengers have already been shot.



Kim, I"m not sure what this means. I'm trying not to take it to mean that you're saying that you have discernment and those of us without discernment shoot you down, but will eventually see that you were right after all. I definitely think that these books require HUGE discernment. I'm thankful for the authors of the various articles that have been shared in this thread. Even the secular authors are pointing to a need for discernment!

I am going to write one more post on this subject to answer your question, Kim, "After reading something of this nature, how do you, as a christian feel afterwards?" That is a hugely important question that I don't want to lose in the length of this already-long post.


Barbara K (NC)

"And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work." 2 Cor 9:8


Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481545 is a reply to message #475641 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim L. from MO  is currently offline Kim L. from MO
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Barbara, Obviously someone has to read the books in order to have a review. I am sure that you are more than capable to be able to read them with discernment. I can trust the judgment of certain reviewers, especially when their opinions seem to be saying the same thing. So, there is no need for me to read the book.

As for participation, I am guessing many aren't reading for the purpose of discernment, but for enjoyment. That puzzles me, especially when the theme is something that seems to me to lean towards darkness and evil.

So, while I wouldn't likely be affected to be drawn in, I know that Satan's snares are subtle. So, I try to avoid things like this.

As for discernment, I often say that it is a lonely gift. It is never about us being right, but trying to show something not readily seen. We are not always right either. If your house is on fire, I am going to tell you, and perhaps chase you to let you know, even if you prefer to collect the insurance money instead. How is that for an illustration?


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Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481548 is a reply to message #481539 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barbara K (NC)
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After reading something of this nature, how do you, as a christian feel afterwards? Are the reviews untrue, or is there a conviction that while it may have been permissable, it wasn't profitable?




The more I see and hear about the response--an overwhelming response--of women 14-25 to these books and this movie, the more my heart is broken. If we simply curl our lips in disgust and mutter, "MY CHILDREN won't ever read those books" I think we've stopped too soon.

The wildfire popularity of these books TELLS us something. The fact that all over this country, some very high percentage of young women are swooning over the anti-hero in this series, TELLS us something. We need pay attention. According to the statistics that I've read and the blogs and articles and bulletin boards out there, the majority of young women in this country are deeply drawn to the idea of a man who controls, abuses, destroys, and ultimately kills.

My sisters, we are surrounded by broken, needy people who are DYING to be loved. They're dying to feel special. They're captivated by the notion of a handsome vampire who is happy to let the girl he loves destroy herself for him. What brokenness! I've heard so many teen girls sigh and wish for a boyfriend who loved them as much as Edward "loves" Bella in these books. What a travesty of love!

So, to answer the question of how I felt after I read these books, I felt deep sorrow. I'm heartbroken for these young girls who long to be loved and are being deceived into thinking that control and abuse and death are LOVE. There's a reason why these books are striking such a chord in young girls. In an age of casual hook-ups and a nothing-special-about-se* mindset, girls are hungering to be special to someone.

And these books made me think about Jesus and the hope we have in HIM.

Let me draw a few comparisons:

In Twilight, Edward is supernaturally beautiful and this is what makes him attractive. It seems to be his only attractive quality. Jesus, on the other hand, was not comely...and the world didn't desire him.

Edward is dead and undead. Jesus is alive forevermore.

Edward controls; Jesus invites.

Edward has nothing but contempt for Bella's father. Jesus only did what His Father told Him to do.

Edward craves blood and longs to drink Bella's blood. Jesus spilled out His own blood and GAVE it as a gift for us.

Edward is pleased that Bella would sacrifice herself and her life to be with him. Jesus sacrificed HIMSELF and gave His life TO US.

Edward is the antithesis of love. Jesus is love.

The future holds no hope whatsoever for Edward or for Bella. Jesus Himself holds our future.

I could go on and on. Our broken world is drawn to these vile books for a reason. We need to pay attention to that reason, because that is the need that we can speak to.

And to answer the last question...for me, reading these books HAS been profitable. I hope I've shared how that can be. I do NOT recommend that anyone else read them.






Barbara K (NC)

"And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work." 2 Cor 9:8


Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481553 is a reply to message #481545 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barbara K (NC)
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Kim L. from MO wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 17:03



As for participation, I am guessing many aren't reading for the purpose of discernment, but for enjoyment. That puzzles me, especially when the theme is something that seems to me to lean towards darkness and evil.




thanks for the chance to clarify: I did not read these books for enjoyment or entertainment. I read them because I was asked to, as I explained earlier.

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As for discernment, I often say that it is a lonely gift. It is never about us being right, but trying to show something not readily seen. We are not always right either. If your house is on fire, I am going to tell you, and perhaps chase you to let you know, even if you prefer to collect the insurance money instead. How is that for an illustration?


Are you STILL feeling the need to figuratively chase me out of a burning house?



Barbara K (NC)

"And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work." 2 Cor 9:8


Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481556 is a reply to message #475641 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mary Jo  is currently offline Mary Jo
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Barbara, I completely agree with you on this.
I think it is great that you have read the books so you can advise others what they are really about.


Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481570 is a reply to message #481539 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I'll admit that I do feel a little defensive, however, by what seems to be an implication that I have no discernment. Lisa wrote, "I would not in any way equate watching/reading such things as being connected to one's salvation. However, I often wonder where the discernment is." Ouch.


Without reading the rest of your post, let me quickly say that I see a big difference between reading something to see what it's about and helping someone else with discernment, and people who are reading them and enjoying them.

For instance, I read the first Harry Potter book so I would have more credibility with those who accused me of speaking without knowledge. I see that as different from the many Christians who are reading Harry Potter, and buying it for their kids and simply enjoying the books. (And no offense intended to those who do enjoy them. That is between them and God-- *I* just don't see that it agrees with scripture).

So, I hope that clarification helps. I'm talking more about people who read

There must never be found among you anyone who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, 12 anyone who practices divination, 13 an omen reader, 14 a soothsayer, 15 a sorcerer, 16 18:11 one who casts spells, 17 one who conjures up spirits, 18 a practitioner of the occult, 19 or a necromancer. 20 18:12 Whoever does these things is abhorrent to the Lord ...



And then says, "I don't see anything wrong with reading about a girl getting romantically involved with a vampire and becoming one herself."

And still...it's between them and God---I just don't get it.

Off to catch up on the rest of the thread.

[Updated on: Tue, 02 December 2008 18:00]


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: the movie/book Twilight--any reviews [message #481574 is a reply to message #481548 ] Tue, 02 December 2008 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Gayle
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Barbara K (NC) wrote on Tue, 02 December 2008 13:09





The wildfire popularity of these books TELLS us something. The fact that all over this country, some very high percentage of young women are swooning over the anti-hero in this series, TELLS us something. We need pay attention. According to the statistics that I've read and the blogs and articles and bulletin boards out there, the majority of young women in this country are deeply drawn to the idea of a man who controls, abuses, destroys, and ultimately kills.

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girls are hungering to be special to someone.
...






Thank you Barbara! I appreciate your review, and the one Tamara posted a link to. I also read a movie review at Ted Baehr's site, he said beware of the teenage passion and occult content but otherwise he didn't touch on the abusive aspect so I'm especially thankful for the topic here.

I have a question: Why are many young women drawn to an abusive and controlling man? Sad How does Edward make Bella feel so special that she sacrifices her life for him? What's the deal?
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