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Men & Women have equal value? [message #11575] Thu, 19 May 2005 07:58 Go to next message
TexasGardenia  is currently offline TexasGardenia
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This week on Nancy Leigh DeMoss's Revive Our Hearts, they are discussing the differences between men and women. They keep saying that men and women are equal in value and dignity before God. They do not say what that means. Then they go on to discuss the roles (headship/submission). What value do I have before God? I am so struggling right now with feelings of worthlessness. I wish they would elaborate on what my value is. Can anyone help me? Are there specific Scriptures that can help me?

Laura Kaye


Laura Kaye
Re: Men & Women have equal value? [message #11583 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, Laura Kaye, you are so valuable that God sent His Son to die for your sins. That is of supreme value!

He says that He knows every strand of hair on our heads. He knows our thoughts. He has plans for our good (Jeremiah 29:17).
He is where ever we are. Most importantly, we are His Children!!! I know how important my children are to me! He loves us - our Holy God loves us! That makes us very important!

I'll be praying for you today! Be of good cheer!

Bonnie
To add to my other post ... [message #11584 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bonnie  is currently offline Bonnie
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God sent His Son to earth to be born of a woman!!! He could have chosen anyway He wanted to send His Son to Earth, yet He chose a woman! I think that makes women very valuable and very special in God's eyes!
icon14.gif  A Woman's Search For Worth: Finding fulfillment as the woman God intended you to be [message #11585 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Char in mid-south  is currently offline Char in mid-south
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Dear Laura Kaye,

I once felt like you do. Then I did a specific Bible study and I understand my role as a woman, and as God intended my role to be. It was a great study and I learned alot from it.

It is called:

A Woman's Search For Worth: Finding fulfillment as the woman God intended you to be

written by Dr. Deborah Newman

www.renewingtheheart.com

It's a Focus On The Family book.

I would post more about it but I am just about out the door for the morning.

Take a look at the website and look up the book. It might be something you are interested in!

I will check in again this afternoon. If you have any specific questions about this study please feel free to post and I will do my best to answer.

God bless you. You are of great value!

Char~


Your Sista-Chick in Christ and Friend


Re: Men & Women have equal value? [message #11596 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laura Kaye,

Read Psalm 139. That, to me, tells just how intimately God cares for us and loves us.

As to the distinction being made on the program you heard, many times, when woman hear about the concept of godly submission they began to assume that men are more important before God, and that women are second class citizens because they are supposed to "submit" to men. That is a wrong understanding. As Ms. DeMoss correctly pointed out, men and women are of equal value before God, bu their roles are different. Sort of like Paul says when he talks about being members of the same body. You don't get upset with your hand because it's not your eye. And you don't consider your hand any less a part of your body just because it's not an eye. In the same way, men and women are both part of the body of Christ, but they have different roles to play. As someone mentioned, Christ died for you...what more value could you have???

I hope that helps some.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
1 Peter 3:7 [message #11617 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are heirs together of the grace of life.


Leigh
Tennessee

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

~~Benjamin Franklin

Re: Men & Women have equal value? [message #11636 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Galations 3:28 states that "In Christ's family there can be no division into Jew and non-Jew, slave and free, male and female. Among us you are all equal. That is, we are all in a common relationship with Jesus Christ." [italics mine]

Does this help?
Re: Men & Women have equal value? [message #11751 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Men and women have equal value and worth in God's eyes..Jesus died for ALL of us..we have distinct and differing roles, and for that, I am so grateful..our worth is equal, our gifts, talents, and abilities differ. It's what makes us all so unique, it's a beautiful thing!

Grace & Peace,
Diana P.


Grace & Peace,
Diana

"Do your best, then rest"

You are precious in His sight. I also want to say [message #11768 is a reply to message #11575 ] Thu, 19 May 2005 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Linda Lee  is currently offline Linda Lee
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that I like your "handle". It's soooo pretty sounding.


Linda
wife to dearest Tom for 25 years,
mom to Lydia (21), Samuel (18), Logan (13), and Silas (4)
I sometimes struggle with this too... [message #11889 is a reply to message #11575 ] Fri, 20 May 2005 04:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I "know" that women are supposed to be valued equally with men, but often in the church it just doesn't seem that way! Women can't lead prayer, can't preach, can't teach, etc.. Women have to keep the kids quiet, provide morning tea, do the washing up, etc... My church runs almost completely on the (volunteer) labour of women, while all the "up front" and paid leadership goes to men. I think this sends a very strong message to young women that their labour is less "valuable". Especially as a woman there alone (without a man) I almost feel "incomplete", every week someone asks me "so, where is your husband?", like I'm not a person without him! Since he has been to church about four times in our entire marriage, you think they'd be used to it!

I don't know exactly what to do about it, but I see the problem! I guess the only thing is to say that God sees me as valuable and for who I am, even if the organizers of the church don't! No matter how marginalized I am at church, I am still the daughter of the King! I hope in heaven there truly will be neither male nor female and we will all finally be equal. It's not likely to happen on this earth...


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
icon7.gif  More encouragement from God's Word on your value! [message #11902 is a reply to message #11575 ] Fri, 20 May 2005 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Laura,

Here are some more encouraging scriptures that declare your value and the Lord's great provisions for you, and give us just a glimpse of how very much you are loved by the Lord! (I'm convinced we'll spend all of Eternity growing more and more in understanding of His great love toward us!)

I think most all of us have struggled with the feeling of being of no worth at times, but it's just that -- a feeling, not a Fact. The Facts about your extreme value and worth are found in God's Word and we need to go with what He says instead of how we sometimes feel! Here are just a few Facts that define your worth:


The Word of God Says you are…

a child of God, born of the incorruptible seed of the word of God which liveth forever
1 Peter 1:23
forgiven of all your sins and washed in the blood
Heb 9:14, Col 1:14, Eph 1:7, 1 John 1:9, 2:12
a new creation
2 Cor 5:17
the temple of the Holy Spirit
1 Cor 6:19
delivered from the power of darkness, and translated into God's kingdom
Col 1:13
redeemed from the curse of the law
1 Peter 1:18-19 Gal 3:13
blessed
Deut 28:1-14, Gal 3:9
a saint
Rom 1:7, 1 Cor 1:2, Phil 1:1
the head and not the tail
Deut 28:13
above only and not beneath
Deut 28:13
holy and without blame before Him in love
1 Peter 1:16, Eph 1:4
the elect
Col 3:12, Rom 8:33
established to the end
1 Cor 1:8, Eph 2:13
victorious
Rev 21:7
set free
Jn 8:31-33
strong in the Lord
Eph 6:10
dead to sin
Rom 6:2, 11
more than a conqueror
Rom 8:37
joint heirs with Christ Jesus
Rom 8:17
sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise
Eph 1:13
in Christ Jesus by his doing
1 Cor 1:30
accepted by the beloved
Eph 1:6
complete in Him
Col 2:10
crucified with Christ
Eph 2:5
alive in Christ
Eph 2:5
free from condemnation
Rom 8:1
reconciled to God
2 Cor 5:18
qualified to share in His inheritance
Col 1:2
firmly rooted, built up, established in your faith, and overflowing with gratitude
Col 2:7
circumcised with the circumcision made without hands
Col 2:11
a fellow citizen with the saints and the household of God
Eph 2:19
built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone
Eph 2:20
in the world as He is in heaven
1 Jn 4:7
born of God and the evil one does not touch you
1 Jn 5:18
his faithful follower
Rev 17:14b, Eph 5:1
overtaken with blessings
Deut 28:2, Eph 1:3
his disciple because you have love for others
Jn 13:34-35
the light of the world
Mat 5:14
the salt of the earth
Mat 5:13
the righteousness of God
2 Cor 5:21, 1 Ptr 2:24
a partaker of his divine nature
2 Ptr 1:4
called of God
2 Tim 1:9
the first fruit among his creation
Jms 1:8
chosen by God
1 Thes 1:4, Eph 1:4, 1 Ptr 2:9
Gods workmanship created for good works in Christ Jesus
Eph 2:10
the apple of your Father's eye
Deut 32:10, Ps 17:8
healed by the stripes of Jesus
1 Ptr 2:24, Is 53:5
being changed into his image
2 Cor 3:16, Phil 1:6
as bold as a lion
Prov 28:1



[Updated on: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:21]


Blessings,
Tamara

"There is always enough time to do the will of God. Don't Waste Your Life!"
You are priceless!!!!! [message #11909 is a reply to message #11575 ] Fri, 20 May 2005 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our role as women is very important. P31 says our price is far above rubies! (Priceless!?) We run our homes, we know the needs of our family, we are a major support and sounding board to our husbands. We know best how to comfort and care for our family. Our families need us.

Some of us are mothers. We are the primary caretakers and teachers of our children and that means we have a great and (prayerfully) a godly influence in the next generation of pastors, doctors, lawyers, congressmen, husbands, wives, mothers, teachers, janitors, bus drivers etc... This is a great responsiblity!

We are all a part of the body of Christ and equally important. It is not for us to say that one part is more important than the other, for without one part the whole part is not whole. If one member suffers then we all suffer, likewise if one member is honored then we are all honored. (1 Corinthians 12:12-31)

To me, the job of wife and mother are most important, but the world tells me otherwise. The world places great value in "important" jobs but what matters most is what God deems important. What does the world know and what does God think of that?

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

God's way is the **best** way. We may not understand, sometimes we may not even like it, but we have to trust that He knows what He is doing:

Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


In the end the only thing that matters is what God thinks! He thinks you valuable enough, and loves you enough, to send His son to die on the cross for your sins. Yes, He does think of you:

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

Look at life throught God's eyes and your view will be forever changed.


In His love,
Gina
Andy's Girl ~ Stephanie & Aja's Mommy

Given a rich environment, learning becomes like the air - it's in and around us. ~Sandra Dodd
Elizabby, just a thought [message #11944 is a reply to message #11889 ] Fri, 20 May 2005 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just wanted to point out that while it certainly seems like woman may be undervalued by the jobs they are given compared to the jobs men have in your church--your statement is like true: " My church runs almost completely on the (volunteer) labour of women,"

Without someone to clean up and keep the children quiet and serve the tea and so forth, then those things wouldn't be happening. Stop and consider what your church would be like if all the woman stopped doing what they do to serve the Lord, and only the things the men do got done! Wouldn't be much of a church, would it? The Word might get preached, but would the fellowship be what it is? Would it really be a "church?"

That is really what I think the Bible is getting at with the different roles of women and men. If we all did the same thing, half the stuff wouldn't get done--women's roles only "seem" less important because they are less visible. But our role is vitally important, whether you're talking about raising children or serving in the background at church. I don't know about Australian society, but IMHO, here in America, there is a HUGE decline in our society that can be traced back to when women started adopting men's roles as breadwinners and leaving the children on their own. We have huge levels of juvenile delinquency here because many women have abdicated their "supporting" roles, considering them to be "inferior."

But I'm about to get off on a tangent so I'll stop there. Smile


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: I sometimes struggle with this too... [message #12053 is a reply to message #11889 ] Fri, 20 May 2005 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know what you mean. Confused

Many (probably most) societies tend to place a low value on the contributions of women. Sad Churches tend to reflect the society they exist in.

In the end, we need to do what God has called us to whether or not we receive the recognition we should. God is the judge and he has proven again and again just how much he values us. Smile

I don't want to make this a "hot topic" Very Happy I don't believe that women are necessarily excluded from leadership roles, but we should not assume that those roles are of greater value in the kingdom than those who are servants. In fact, Jesus said that those who would be great in the Kingdom of Heaven must be the servants of all. That kind of turns our ideas of importance on it's head, doesn't it? Laughing
My take on this [message #13251 is a reply to message #11575 ] Tue, 24 May 2005 13:35 Go to previous message
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As Christians we are all in equal standing before the Lord. Period. As believers we are all brothers and sisters in christ, this includes, men, women, children...everyone....

Now, in certain situations, relationships, there is an order of authority. The husband is head of the home, and has the "authority" in the home, over the wife and children. The parents together have "authority" over their children. The government has certain God given authority of the people.

This is very different than our standing with the Lord. Before God there is not slave, no freeman, no black, no white, no race, no denominations...just people, either saved by their acceptance of Jesus and his work on the cross, or lost by their rejection of the same.


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