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Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820178] Wed, 12 July 2017 01:39 Go to next message
Jamie
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Ladies, I'd really value input on something I have to decide now which may impact our lives in 10+ years.

Jonah is 5.5 years of age with an extremely late birthday of 12/2011.

Our state law for compulsory school age reads as follows:
"Florida Law (Section 1003.21, Florida Statutes) states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term."

^Reading this, please understand that this means that while Jonah is eligible to attend preschool it would be on a completely voluntary basis as it is not compulsory. Kindergarten, however, is mandatory in our state.

^Reading this, please understand that Jonah would be entering NEXT YEAR, rather than this fall, kindergarten at the age of 6.5 years of age. In other words, were we to enroll him in the public school system we would not be doing so until 2018. Which means he would graduate Kindergarten at the age of 7.5years of age. Other children this age, but with earlier birthdays would be leaving 1st grade or entering 2nd grade.

I am not required by law to enroll him at all, remember, until fall of 2018.

However, the state has said that children who are 5 by September 1 of the current year may begin school early. Any child who will reach age 5 by September 1 may start school the preceding August.

Our homeschooling laws require that a parent send a one-time Notice of Intent to the School board (IOW, not annually). "The parent shall notify the district school superintendent of the county in which the parent resides of her or his intent to establish and maintain a home education program. The notice shall be in writing, signed by the parent, and shall include the names, addresses, and birthdates of all children who shall be enrolled as students in the home education program. The notice shall be filed in the district school superintendent’s office within 30 days of the establishment of the home education program."

^We do not have to inform them of grade level, et al...and annually have to have a child either evaluated or tested (parent's choice).

OK - so I'm looking ahead to dual enrollment when he's a teen. Foreseeably, we will still live in the same city, so using our target college, the prerequisite is that a student is only eligible for dual enrollment if one is a junior or senior in highschool. From my memory, they "calculate" how many years one has homeschooled.

Here's my thoughts: If I hold off until next fall to register Jonah with the county as a homeschooler, he'll graduate high-school at roughly the same age as most college students already have a year under their belt. Holding him off will bring a maturity, hopefully, that will serve him well on a college campus and in the classes. It really takes away the ease of any "red shirt" opportunities though, I would think (particularly thinking should he have a low self-esteem or other challenges as a teen).

Basically, I know past this point that I can put him "ahead" or hold him "behind" as needed, not just by grade but by individual subjects. I'm really relishing not using grade levels for us in the early years and just calling it "non-graded primary" or something. What I'm trying to mathematically lay out for ourselves is the college's interpretation of his grade level for dual enrollment eligibility. They'll look at that first, and then they'll test Jonah rather than the other way around.

Too, I'm half-concerned with the possibility of Jonah having to enter the public school system at some point. I'm near 50 years of age with a strong family medical history of cancer. My husband is in a high-risk job, and is also near 50 years of age. We have 12 years until retirement and who knows what life will bring. We don't have family should something happen to Jonah, other than my daughter who says she's interested in homeschooling her child, but I don't know, if she were forced to adopt her little brother should something happen to both Franklin and myself in the coming years. I know there have been people in my situation (with the child and late birthday) who homeschooled k-grade at home, and then tried to enroll their child in 1st when they reached the qualifying enrollment age only to be *forced* into placing their child right back into K-grade because of the d.o.b.

So...I have the freedom to enroll him early, which means I'd have to find an understanding evaluator for our methods (which is non-curricula and very child-led at the moment, but not as far as unschooling). Or wait until next fall and avoid the upfront hassle for another year, but wonder if there is a stigma (even among potential peers, as well as admissions) with the 19.5y graduation age.

Is there any compelling reason NOT to go ahead and register? The only part of me that thinks there's a compelling reason TO delay is the maturity level to handling a college course/campus....but, then, if he runs into subject matters in homeschool that could be better served on a college campus, he'd have to wait a year. Jonah doesn't show much patience now, LOL.

I hope this isn't all too jumbled. I'm not fretting...just trying to figure this out.


Peace
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820180 is a reply to message #820178 ] Wed, 12 July 2017 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sounds a little like the situation with my twins, only in reverse. They made the cut-off to enter K by only 10 days. This makes them extremely young for their grade. They will graduate and start college when they are 17 if we stick to their grade-level. I could have held them out a year and most people with kids who have birthdays around then did. The state just adjusted the cut-off date to deal with the growing age range that this created and, if my kids were starting now, they would not make the cut-off and they would be a grade behind where they are.

But, there is very little that this has really impacted up to this point. They were young when they started in the church youth group, but I could have chosen to go by their age and held them out for a year (we didn't think it was necessary). I even think it will have very little impact on college. I've known a few people who graduated early and went to college.

If I'm understanding your concern correctly, going ahead and saying that his is in K as soon as you can would not cause any problems. But, waiting a year could make it difficult to do dual enrollment when he is a junior. If I'm understanding that correctly, I would go ahead and start him as soon as he is old enough. You could still move at his pace and, if there was a social situation that called for it, you could just go by the lower grade for maturity sake. But, with the state, you would then have the option to either graduate him "on time" or simply say you decided to hold him back a year in grade school. This isn't something that colleges should look at (they are concerned with what the student did in high school), so it wouldn't affect him in the long run. But, perhaps I'm missing something?


Stacy, mom to 12-year-old boy/girl twins and a three-year-old boy.

"Every man's life is a fairy tale written by God's finger." Hans Christian Andersen
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820252 is a reply to message #820178 ] Sun, 30 July 2017 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie, perhaps I'm not understanding this, but you said that your ds will be 6 by this February, and if this is true, "Florida Law (Section 1003.21, Florida Statutes) states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term," then wouldn't you have to register him this year?
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820254 is a reply to message #820252 ] Sun, 30 July 2017 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie
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Jen E. wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 08:36

Jamie, perhaps I'm not understanding this, but you said that your ds will be 6 by this February, and if this is true, "Florida Law (Section 1003.21, Florida Statutes) states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term," then wouldn't you have to register him this year?


It's a little confusing. I haven't heard it interpreted the way you've described and I've run this by a number of individuals...I'll double check it though now that you've voiced an alternative view of the statute.

The Florida public school year runs from August through May/June. So, this year August 2017-May/June 2018.

The way I'm understanding the statute is that he would have to be six before the start of the school year.


Peace
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820255 is a reply to message #820254 ] Sun, 30 July 2017 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie
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Jamie wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 11:13

Jen E. wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 08:36

Jamie, perhaps I'm not understanding this, but you said that your ds will be 6 by this February, and if this is true, "Florida Law (Section 1003.21, Florida Statutes) states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term," then wouldn't you have to register him this year?


It's a little confusing. I haven't heard it interpreted the way you've described and I've run this by a number of individuals...I'll double check it though now that you've voiced an alternative view of the statute.

The Florida public school year runs from August through May/June. So, this year August 2017-May/June 2018.

The way I'm understanding the statute is that he would have to be six before the start of the school year.


Well, Jen, you've opened a can of worms Laughing

I have two separate boards - one a state homeschooling board and the other a state umbrella school - debating. I know on *both* over a year ago, I presented my "when do I need to register" and they both gave me the thumbs up with my interpretation. I also ran this by two homeschool "advocate/professional speakers" at our Florida homeschool conference a week ago. No one batted an eye.

I copy & paste your interpretation, and all of a sudden I'm hearing lots of people like, "Girl, you best get him registered now!" LOL, they're debating back and forth now, and I'm playing devil's advocate on both. I figured I'm at least going to get the same back and forth when I contact the county school board to hear about their own interpretation. Laughing Laughing Laughing


Peace
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820516 is a reply to message #820255 ] Tue, 19 September 2017 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 12:10

Jamie wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 11:13

Jen E. wrote on Sun, 30 July 2017 08:36

Jamie, perhaps I'm not understanding this, but you said that your ds will be 6 by this February, and if this is true, "Florida Law (Section 1003.21, Florida Statutes) states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term," then wouldn't you have to register him this year?


It's a little confusing. I haven't heard it interpreted the way you've described and I've run this by a number of individuals...I'll double check it though now that you've voiced an alternative view of the statute.

The Florida public school year runs from August through May/June. So, this year August 2017-May/June 2018.

The way I'm understanding the statute is that he would have to be six before the start of the school year.


Well, Jen, you've opened a can of worms Laughing

I have two separate boards - one a state homeschooling board and the other a state umbrella school - debating. I know on *both* over a year ago, I presented my "when do I need to register" and they both gave me the thumbs up with my interpretation. I also ran this by two homeschool "advocate/professional speakers" at our Florida homeschool conference a week ago. No one batted an eye.

I copy & paste your interpretation, and all of a sudden I'm hearing lots of people like, "Girl, you best get him registered now!" LOL, they're debating back and forth now, and I'm playing devil's advocate on both. I figured I'm at least going to get the same back and forth when I contact the county school board to hear about their own interpretation. Laughing Laughing Laughing


So sorry to have missed your response, Jamie, and I'm sorry for opening a can of worms!

This is very clear to me, Jamie. Your ds will be 6 by Feb. 1 of this school year. Therefore, you need to register him. If you don't agree with this, have you called Florida's Dept. of Education or the HSLDA for clarification?

[Updated on: Tue, 19 September 2017 09:26]

Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820517 is a reply to message #820178 ] Tue, 19 September 2017 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HSLDA states this: "Children must attend school or comply with the homeschool laws starting in the school year that they turn 6 on or before February 1."

That is now for your ds, right?
Re: Opinions, please. Registering as a homeschooler, grade level & Dual Enrollment [message #820619 is a reply to message #820178 ] Thu, 05 October 2017 12:08 Go to previous message
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I think you go in thinking you will do two years, because after first grade the system would really have less to say, and another year might make a huge difference in maturity and ability. Plus, an addtional year of first grade would be better than two years in kindergarten.

Our grandsons have November birthdays and they are small for their ages. In New York, where they used to live, any child turning five in the calendar year had to be in school, one way or the other.


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