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Which philosophy do you run to when it comes to reading/writing/math? [message #820149] Thu, 06 July 2017 16:17 Go to next message
Jamie
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There are so many philosophies and curriculum today! Much more than when I first approached homeschooling nearly 20 years ago. That and the internet have created whole universes of information/ideas while I've been out of the HS loop.

I've run across very convincing articles/books that impress that there are advantages to not introducing formal reading/writing/math lessons until a child is well into his/her 6th or 7th birthday. Others advocate teaching from the moment they can keep their head sturdy. Each claims to have data that supports their POV. Personally, I was rather happy putting off reading and writing until 6y-7y. Jonah wasn't particularly interested and his "learning cup" was filled up with things that would more appropriately be found in the sciences (something none of my other kids were ever interested in). I've worked with some letter sounds and recognition, and just the alphabet as a children's song. I'm personally happy with it...but, now that he's just a bit older (5.5y) I'm wondering if I'm doing a diservice to him? The rate I'm going, he'll definitely be reading by this time next year...unless he seriously rebells. He's really not all that interested with anything to do with letters. He was for a while, dropped interest, and I allowed it...it turns out he retained nothing, so we're starting from scratch. Just "starting from scratch" though is against the "wait" philosophy that I actually liked once upon a time. He'll work some with numbers, but letters he just turns off. And the work that we used to do (science) is shoved to the side or slowed in enthusiasm because of the work we are doing elsewhere. That's the part I'm a bit upset with...that he thinks everything now is to "trick" him into pre-language/language work (at the MOST I'm asking him to try to sound out the first letter of a word so that he can "guess" the answer - which I'm confident he also knows).

Another pre-reading/reading/math question I have...

He'll know certain data. Some data we've been over and over, using in every day conversation, play, school, etc. He knows it backwards and forwards. Yet there are moments when we, either in private or trying to share with Daddy, he behaves like he just "blanks" - he makes attempts like he's trying. I half thought he was just being pokey or teasing with pointing to everything except the right answer, for example...but he swore up and down he didn't know it. I'll tell you, though, he can stop a stranger on the street and tell them every minute detail about the same subject matter and not be wrong. I'm sad to say that I've not really had great patience in this area, insisting that he knows the answer and to "hurry up." He gets greatly offended and promises that he doesn't know the answer. There's nothing to do but to stop whatever mode of lesson we're doing as it won't be productive with our jaws out of place. Is this "I don't know" when I know you know normal at this age?


Peace
Re: Which philosophy do you run to when it comes to reading/writing/math? [message #820150 is a reply to message #820149 ] Thu, 06 July 2017 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
elliemaejune  is currently offline elliemaejune
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Jamie wrote on Thu, 06 July 2017 15:17

There are so many philosophies and curriculum today! Much more than when I first approached homeschooling nearly 20 years ago. That and the internet have created whole universes of information/ideas while I've been out of the HS loop.

I've run across very convincing articles/books that impress that there are advantages to not introducing formal reading/writing/math lessons until a child is well into his/her 6th or 7th birthday. Others advocate teaching from the moment they can keep their head sturdy. Each claims to have data that supports their POV. Personally, I was rather happy putting off reading and writing until 6y-7y. Jonah wasn't particularly interested and his "learning cup" was filled up with things that would more appropriately be found in the sciences (something none of my other kids were ever interested in). I've worked with some letter sounds and recognition, and just the alphabet as a children's song. I'm personally happy with it...but, now that he's just a bit older (5.5y) I'm wondering if I'm doing a diservice to him? The rate I'm going, he'll definitely be reading by this time next year...unless he seriously rebels. He's really not all that interested with anything to do with letters. He was for a while, dropped interest, and I allowed it...it turns out he retained nothing, so we're starting from scratch. Just "starting from scratch" though is against the "wait" philosophy that I actually liked once upon a time. He'll work some with numbers, but letters he just turns off. And the work that we used to do (science) is shoved to the side or slowed in enthusiasm because of the work we are doing elsewhere. That's the part I'm a bit upset with...that he thinks everything now is to "trick" him into pre-language/language work (at the MOST I'm asking him to try to sound out the first letter of a word so that he can "guess" the answer - which I'm confident he also knows).

Another pre-reading/reading/math question I have...

He'll know certain data. Some data we've been over and over, using in every day conversation, play, school, etc. He knows it backwards and forwards. Yet there are moments when we, either in private or trying to share with Daddy, he behaves like he just "blanks" - he makes attempts like he's trying. I half thought he was just being pokey or teasing with pointing to everything except the right answer, for example...but he swore up and down he didn't know it. I'll tell you, though, he can stop a stranger on the street and tell them every minute detail about the same subject matter and not be wrong. I'm sad to say that I've not really had great patience in this area, insisting that he knows the answer and to "hurry up." He gets greatly offended and promises that he doesn't know the answer. There's nothing to do but to stop whatever mode of lesson we're doing as it won't be productive with our jaws out of place. Is this "I don't know" when I know you know normal at this age?


Well, for one thing, I don't think of beginning to teach a child to read when he is six or seven as "putting it off." I would definitely not think you're putting it off because you're not working with a 5 1/2yo child. Smile

If you're doing something formal with him now and you're feeling the need to tell him to hurry up, then it's time for you to put that thing away.

You can fill his life with learning experiences without his even knowing it.


Born again since 1974
Married to Mr. Ellie for over 30 years
Mom to 2 amazing grown-up dds and 2 dsil
Grandmother to 1 beautiful baby boy

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Re: Which philosophy do you run to when it comes to reading/writing/math? [message #820157 is a reply to message #820149 ] Fri, 07 July 2017 10:40 Go to previous message
praise2christ  is currently offline praise2christ
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I think it all completely depends on the child. Children develop differently and at different rates in different areas. With my twins this was very obvious. One would be far ahead of the other in math, while the other would be far ahead in reading. Then, the other child would suddenly start making leaps. They might not catch up to the other twin, but you could see that some sort of switch had turned on in their brain to allow them to finally "get" it.

I've read some research that suggests that some children do not have the necessary brain development to comprehend reading until they are eight years-old. I've see evidence of this with some children. They struggle and struggle, but then just suddenly stop struggling one day for no apparent reason. But, then their are kids, like my Jack, who taught himself the alphabet before he turned two. With him, I have done nothing formal, but he has learned through experience.

So, if I had to say I had a philosophy, it would be to take cues from your child and move at their pace. If, as they get older, you realize you won't be able to fit in what is required, you can work on it over the summer to "catch up". But, I think we are often surprised when those "I get it!" moments happen and learning naturally speeds up for a while.


Stacy, mom to 12-year-old boy/girl twins and a three-year-old boy.

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