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Microbreweries [message #818593] Tue, 18 October 2016 13:34 Go to next message
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have they popped up in your town? If so, I'm interested in if you recall any fights against them from start-up, how they have affected the neighborhood/community (good or bad), and anything else.

I'm reading local fuss-fests about them starting in Springfield, a historic district in the city of Jacksonville, FL (where I live). We are technically a residential community hugging our city's downtown area. I feel we have problems, a lot of which deal with addictions of all shapes and sizes...there are already bars and dives and liquor stores here, however, an attempt to move a couple of local microbreweries on our Main St is running into a lot of shoveback from house churches led by a pastor who has no ties to our community in any way. Our Downtown has a mega-church (Baptist) that lines the "wall" of our neighborhood...and there are laws that alcohol can't be sold w/n 1500 ft of property (and they have acquired many buildings /property over the decades that have blocked many new "alcohol-dependant" businesses from starting.

This has always had the yuppies, hippies, hipsters, etc in an uproar, not to mention non-believers who use this particular church as the reason for the ills of all of Jacksonville (no kidding). Those same groups within our historic district is using this recent fight against breweries as yet another reason to hate/attack/slur them (oddly enough, that church has ZERO to do with blocking the breweries from starting).

The spin is stupid...this week two non-related items in our neighborhood have been tied to the debacle: someone came posting homosexuality is a sin type posters up w/o any ref to the neighborhood brewery situation, and another is just snarking on wondering if the specific church is anti trick-or-treating (they are not). Basically anything "Christian" is up for season right now in our hood. My husband and I are on opposite sides of this matter. I think our community has enough addiction issues of all shapes and sizes...yes, I know brewery is more of a sip and taste test area, but that's not the point. This neighborhood, whether you are talking about homeless or the rich, can't seem to do ANYTHING without having alcohol tied to it, and ultimately drunkedness. One brewery who made it through (special circumstances in zoning) opened up a week or so ago...and put a play place in the alley/back serving area behind them...and the local Mommy/Kid group is hyper about having playdates there, with the emphasis on the get together about having some wine/beer to take the edge off.

I'm purely curious if these things "revitalize" the area as much as they say they will....and if it will "revitalize" an area any better/faster than another type of franchise/business.

Re: Microbreweries [message #818598 is a reply to message #818593 ] Tue, 18 October 2016 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Coming back to clear up/out some things. There are topics mixed into the neighborhood/city discussion for which the handling of debate has been very poor (and has touched personal nerves). I was irritated that "they" were conflating things, and it appears I am guilty of the same. So, to refocus, I'm curious to know if anyone here has witnessed a really rundown, derelict area come back or enjoy a renaissance. If so, what would you credit as the major factors? Did Microbreweries ever play a major part in the flourishing, or did they "just happen to be one of many"? Were there any oppositions to them in your experience, and if so, why - and how did it all turn out?

Re: Microbreweries [message #818611 is a reply to message #818593 ] Wed, 19 October 2016 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can't say I have any experience, so I won't comment much. I am part of a community on Instagram where many folks seem to have microbreweries in their area, and it seems to be a fairly upscale sort of thing, which one might guess would be a positive if folks are responsible drinkers, but that's all I can really say to that.

I don't want to hijack,but I do want to say that it seriously irks me when churches campaign against businesses obtaining liquor licenses.I'm not in favor of having a bunch of bars in my area for a variety of personal reasons, but what you are describing is exactly why I don't think churches should campaign on such issues. While drunkenness is clearly a sin, drinking is not, and when we push the community to abide by extra-biblical behavioral standards when folks don't even have the Holy Spirit, it seems to do more to push people away than to draw them to Christ. We do better to love folks than condemn their pastimes.

If I were in leadership in that church, I'd be looking for ways to serve the community and to build a sense of community. I'm completely against trick-or-treating and halloween, but in this case, I'd definitely consider having some sort of fall festival for the community during the fall, and look for other ways to reach out. (don't have time to brainstorm just now, but that's also tangential to your question).

I wonder if there have been any studies that could be googled.

Lisa R.
Re: Microbreweries [message #818618 is a reply to message #818593 ] Wed, 19 October 2016 15:02 Go to previous message
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We have several microbreweries in the area. I don't know that any fuss was ever made over them. I'm not a fan of alcohol, but I prefer them to bars.

The city next to where I grew up (walking distance), was completely run down. There were strip clubs and women who sold themselves. Drugs were a problem (still are, but in a different way. We are along I75, which fuels a heroin epidemic). It was the type of place you didn't go after dark.

Then, when I was in high school, the city took some steps. They invited a developer to completely renovate the waterfront. A shopping "mall" was built. But, it isn't your typical mall. It overlooks the river, looks like a historic building, and has several high-class restaurants. An aquarium was also built in the area. One of the big developments at the time was a microbrewery. It is the "sister" of one that is in Germany and was the only one in the US. It had a beer garden where you could eat an authentic German meal and drink authentic German beer. It brought a lot of people from Cincinnati across the river to eat.

These two developments (the mall and the beer garden) were a catalyst for a renaissance in the city. 20 years later and all the strip clubs are gone, it is safe to walk down the street at night, there is a bustling economy, and more and more development has taken place. What was once a place to avoid is now a tourist destination.

I'm not saying that all of this couldn't have taken place without the brewery. It certainly could have. But, I am saying that the brewery didn't hurt the area (no more crime, addiction, etc). So, in all, I'd say that it is a neutral thing.

Just a few years ago, another one popped up in my hometown. Once again, I can't point to anything specifically good or bad resulting from it. It is a pretty building, but this one doesn't have a restaurant, so I'll never have reason to go there.

Stacy, mom to 12-year-old boy/girl twins and a three-year-old boy.

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