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Harambe the Gorilla [message #817001] Tue, 31 May 2016 17:32 Go to next message
praise2christ  is currently offline praise2christ
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Living in the Cincinnati area, this is all anyone is talking about. My FB is filled with people posting about it. I have been very saddened by the whole thing - mostly by the death threats that people are hurling at the parents of the boy and the zoo officials.

I'm not sure how big this story is elsewhere, but what are your thoughts?


Stacy, mom to 12-year-old boy/girl twins and a three-year-old boy.

"Every man's life is a fairy tale written by God's finger." Hans Christian Andersen
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817002 is a reply to message #817001 ] Tue, 31 May 2016 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa T.  is currently offline Lisa T.
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An extremely sad situation! However, it appears that it was necessary in that situation to protect the little boy. Human life trumps animal life.

Perhaps it will trigger deeper questions:

-How do we properly fulfill our role as stewards of God's creation?

-Are zoos a good idea? What is their purpose? Are we treating animals appropriately when we place them in a zoo? The

-Was this particular exhibit safely barricaded? Do guidelines need to be changed?

--What is the value of an animal's life? Does it make a difference if the animal is rare? If it is domesticated?

-How can these sorts of situations be avoided in the future?


Lisa T.
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817003 is a reply to message #817001 ] Tue, 31 May 2016 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I saw part of a video, and was interrupted before finishing, and haven't read anything much more about it. I didn't realize the gorilla had been killed till I read the following. Since this is pretty much all I know, I don't have anything much else to say. But I *really* liked what I read here.

http://karacarrero.com/open-letter-mother-boy-fell-gorilla-e nclosure/


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817004 is a reply to message #817001 ] Tue, 31 May 2016 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Elise  is currently offline Elise
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It's a very unfortunate situation, but ultimately, human life is more important than an animal's. I'm sure everyone involved wishes it hadn't happened. Maybe this will bring about good changes at zoos. I don't know.

I don't participate in fb discussions about controversial issues, but one thing I saw today on fb made a good point. Approximately 3000 babies are aborted. Every. Day. This was one gorilla.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2016 00:38]


Blessings,
Elise


Wife to Dan
Retired homeschool mom to Emily and Bryan
Academic Resource Tutor at a local high school - basically Mom-at-the-kitchen-table for about 50 students
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817005 is a reply to message #817001 ] Tue, 31 May 2016 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
K in nc  is currently offline K in nc
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Its all over my page too, and I'm in NC. Sigh ...

I don't get into the debates about it, its not worth the drama. But I do believe the right thing was done.

I keep wanting to say to people "This is not Hollywood people! There is no way to know if that animal was going to help or hurt that little boy, and its not worth the little boys life to wait and find out. In a movie the animal would have gently taken the little boy to the gate so the keeper could rescue him and the mom would have looked into the animal's eyes and with tears streaming down her face thanked him for saving her boy. This is not a movie. This is real, unscripted, life. And while I love animals, a little boy's life, regardless of how he ended up in there, is more important than an animals.

The whole thing is just sad.


Wife to the most wonderful man in the world for 27 years! Mom to the three most wonderful kids in the world! (well most of the time)
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817006 is a reply to message #817001 ] Tue, 31 May 2016 22:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tracy in Peru  is currently offline Tracy in Peru
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It is too bad about the gorilla, really; but ultimately, I think the right choice was made.

I think zoos are very valuable and worthwhile. And I think the enclosure was sufficiently secure, until it wasn't.

Social media just ends up being a contributor to overly-emotional discussions about nothing. The big picture is too hard, so people focus on the unimportant minutia.

I appreciate being able to express myself here in a safe environment; and I respect this arena enough to carefully consider how I say what I say.

[Updated on: Tue, 31 May 2016 22:27]


In Him--Tracy
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817013 is a reply to message #817001 ] Wed, 01 June 2016 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
praise2christ  is currently offline praise2christ
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Having been to that exhibit many times, I can describe the enclosure. There is a 4 foot high wall that is about a foot thick with a rounded top. It is styled to look more "natural" and is very rough concrete - almost like stucco. There are no footholds to help someone climb up. The boy probably scratched himself up a bit climbing up and over it. Then, there are bushes on the other side. The bushes are close together and a few feet thick. Beyond that, as I'm sure you've heard/seen, is a 15' drop to the moat.

I honestly didn't realize the gorillas could get into the moat because I've never seen them in it. But, the drop on their side is much less than on the human side. So, I guess the idea is that they can get in and out on their side, but not get up our side.

The area where you stand to look is located between that wall and another wall behind you where there is a higher viewing area. The space between those walls is probably four feet. I'm guessing, but I know it isn't wide enough for one of my kids to lay down.

On a sunny day at the beginning of the summer, that area would have been filled with people. You would need to squeeze through the crowd to get a look. Losing track of a child would be so easy! The witness report I read said that the mother had his hand in her back pocket while she tried to take a picture. He darted off and was out of sight right away. In a crowd like that, it could happen before you could even reach out your hand to grab a kid.

The thing that gets me is that this happens to people all the time. In stores, at parks, in your own home! But, because there are no big consequences, no one is in an uproar. But, because there were consequences this time, everyone wants the mom's head on a pike. It is unfortunate that this happened at this place, at this time. But, the act of looking away from your child for one moment is the same.

I also keep thinking about how many times kids have been kidnapped after slipping away for a moment. In those cases everyone is sympathetic to the parents and wants to help them in anyway possible. But, because it was a gorilla threatening the child instead of a human, people want to blame and punish the parents or even say they should have let the child die. It makes me sick.




Stacy, mom to 12-year-old boy/girl twins and a three-year-old boy.

"Every man's life is a fairy tale written by God's finger." Hans Christian Andersen
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817024 is a reply to message #817001 ] Thu, 02 June 2016 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Robin H.  is currently offline Robin H.
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This story is huge, all over. On FB but on the news, talk radio, etc. And everybody is screaming that it's the parents' fault. And they keep talking about tranquilizers but many experts have already said why that would not have worked and the boy would surely have been killed right away.

It was an accident. It is sad. Nobody's fault. But it seems like everybody wants someone to blame and that they're equating the gorilla's life with human life, or really making it more valuable than human life. It points to a larger evil in our society in my opinion in addition to the mindset that there shouldn't be ANY risks in life, that we can control everything, make more and more regulations to fix everything.

I am relieved to see some good facebook articles and memes that are supporting the parents. And I am sad about the gorilla.

Robin H.
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817028 is a reply to message #817001 ] Thu, 02 June 2016 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was on vacation in Atlanta this week - very little t.v. time (just in the hotel lobby)...and it was practically the only thing running. When I plugged in, the programming ran whether the animal should have been tranquilized and "Where was the mother?" I haven't seen too much on FB, likely because I was gone when the story was "hot" but I've been surprised at a couple of negative (not overtly harsh) responses towards the parent/s. I've not read comments in news features since returning. I have read a couple of knuckle brained published pieces on both sides of the two fences (pro/con zoo, pro/con mother).

Not for nothing, the lack of understanding of what a tranquilizer can by you in terms of time and safety is the same lack of understanding between movie and reality (since someone used that upthread) of police officers and stun guns and various methods employed against "unarmed" combative individuals.


Peace
Re: Harambe the Gorilla [message #817036 is a reply to message #817001 ] Fri, 03 June 2016 13:23 Go to previous message
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This will blow over in a week tops.

The zoo people know what they are doing. They drill for this year round.

~Rosemary


I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
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