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thoughts on organ donation? [message #797981] Thu, 10 April 2014 08:26 Go to next message
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organ donation[ 39 vote(s) ]
1.I am an organ donor. 28 / 72%
2.I am not an organ donor. 9 / 23%
3.I or someone in my immediate household have/has been the recipient of organ donation. 1 / 3%
4.obligatory other 1 / 3%

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[Updated on: Thu, 10 April 2014 08:28]


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797983 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I answered the poll. Were you looking for actual discussion about it?


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797984 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what?? A chf poll with no discussion?? May it never be!


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797986 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and yes, meant for this to be a double duty post. Poll and discussion. Posted very quickly. Thanks, Lisa!


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797987 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am an organ donor and support the idea wholeheartedly. My dad was beginning the process to get on the list for a heart/kidney transplant when he died.


I have not achieved it, but I focus on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, I press on to reach the end of the race and receive the heavenly prize for which God, through Christ Jesus, is calling us. ~Phil 3:13-14~
Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797988 is a reply to message #797983 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa R. wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 09:04

I answered the poll. Were you looking for actual discussion about it?



heh heh! Smile

I am an organ donor and believe it's a very good thing. I can't see letting someone else die who could live after my death if they had my viable organs.

I can't see any theological reason not to.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797989 is a reply to message #797988 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted other because we have received bone and ligament ,and I wanted to point out we can find ourselves using parts besides major organs. I had a bone graft with a tooth implant and dh had his knee repaired with donor ligament.
Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797993 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good points, Becky! I think that ear bones are widely sought after as well. All kinds of things, actually.

As for reasons not to do it, yes, growing up there seemed to be reasons...but what were they? I don't see any theological reasons not to.

I've heard things like being a donor may cause end of life decisions to be a little different or hastened by medical staff if you are in a severe state of being....but really, if you are that beat up, well, ya know. Maybe being a donor would be the best thing. ??

I've heard that it is hard on families to have the deceased be tied up with organ procurement for so long....but really, is that important? Maybe a closed casket with a note that says *Im an organ donor, and this body has been without life for a few days. Since I'm not looking my best, I'm hoping that you will understand the closed casket and remember me full of life,as in the photo that is here on display.*

I have sat with families in the transplant unit who were waiting on hearts. It is really something. And really something when they get called for that heart. I've worked with liver transplant patients ( in the 80s ). Much has changed, but I will tell you, it is no easy road. It is life changing tho.

Perhaps the most incredible outcomes with the big organs, are with the kidneys. And maybe hearts. And lungs....Im not remembering many from my time in that area.....but my friend's son,a CF survivor, had his and is doing well.

Those are my rambling thoughts....


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797994 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it is one of the most precious things the remaining family can do, and that it honors the memory of the one who was lost.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797995 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I probably don't know facts, but if internal organs are donated, I can't imagine that the body would look any worse for the wear...no worse than with surgery, and surely nothing that would require a closed casket! At least, I've never heard of such a thing.

The arguments I heard in the past are fear of death being hastened to get the organs for a more "worthy" patient, and fear of not being resurrected or of entering eternity not whole. I think, in the first instance, it's probably no more likely than any other case of euthanasia. It will probably become more and more likely that seriously ill folks will be unwillingly euthanized as our health care options become more limited..but that's another topic. I figure in either case, the Lord is in control of our days, so I don't worry about that. And I figure with the "not whole" argument, that would apply to burn victims or amputees or whoever else ends up with a body "not whole," so I don't worry about that either.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797997 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ah yes. In my rambling, I jumped way ahead to the closed casket thing because of the length of time it *could* potentially take ( for various reasons) to return the deceased to the family's care. Honestly, that might change how Id feel about my own open casket. Not for vanity really, but for everyone. If Im dead a week, I think id go closed casket. lol please let my family know.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #797999 is a reply to message #797997 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dina wrote on Thu, 10 April 2014 13:25

ah yes. In my rambling, I jumped way ahead to the closed casket thing because of the length of time it *could* potentially take ( for various reasons) to return the deceased to the family's care. Honestly, that might change how Id feel about my own open casket. Not for vanity really, but for everyone. If Im dead a week, I think id go closed casket. lol please let my family know.



I'd go closed casket because I have no desire to view the dead, but I'm pretty weird. Smile

However, it's not at all unusual for a funeral to be delayed for a week these days, while family travels in and so forth. With advanced in mortuary science, if you're into the open casket thing, a week shouldn't be a problem.

You've got me curious,though. I might ask my undertaker friend about this.


Blessings,
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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798003 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we always have open casket. I have no problem with it. With one particular loved one,I remember flies. I felt that she had been dead too long. Boy....isnt this a sunny topic! Shocked Soooo....in my mind it stands to reason that if they were harvesting from my body, that it could take a while ...with paperwork and who knows whatever....but I promise. I dont lose sleep thinking about these things. ( ;

So i guess Im saying that Id rather be freshly dead if ya'll are going to be looking at me. Cool


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798005 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 10 April 2014 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was always under the impression that organ donation may actually kill a person. I think of a story recently where a man woke up in a morgue. If they think you're dead, but you're not really dead, they may actually kill you by taking your organs. I'm not sure about statistics or anything, but that whole idea makes me squeamish.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798102 is a reply to message #797981 ] Sun, 13 April 2014 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So "by HIS stripes we are healed" means nothing?! Isaiah 53:5, 1 Peter 2:24

Think of how many unnatural things must take place for a body accept an organ, all the unnatural chemicals, etc., just to start with?

[Updated on: Sun, 13 April 2014 14:00]


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798104 is a reply to message #798102 ] Sun, 13 April 2014 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bobbi wrote on Sun, 13 April 2014 13:56

So "by HIS stripes we are healed" means nothing?! Isaiah 53:5, 1 Peter 2:24

Think of how many unnatural things must take place for a body accept an organ, all the unnatural chemicals, etc., just to start with?


It means a lot. But I'm not sure how it applies here. Can you elaborate on your point more?


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798106 is a reply to message #798104 ] Sun, 13 April 2014 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not an organ donor currently, but would have no problem being one. I think I originally said "no" because of hearing horror stories similar to what the other ladies have said - they 'speed up death' if you're deathly sick so they can get your organs, etc. Whether or not that is true, I don't know. Regardless, I will probably change my status next time the opportunity arises. I can think of friends who have had organ transplants and it is such a life-changing (and saving!) thing!


Emily
Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798309 is a reply to message #797981 ] Thu, 17 April 2014 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In 1985, my dad died suddenly of a brain aneurysm. He was only 41 years old and in very good health otherwise. We had no idea he had this going on in his brain. He went to work as usual and didn't come home. He and my mom had discussed being an organ donor at one point, so she knew it was something he would want. His kidneys and corneas were donated. The corneas went to an eye bank, his kidneys went to a woman and a 14 year old girl. We received a letter a year later saying how well the recipients of his kidneys were doing. His funeral was not delayed. They harvested his organs asap because there are time limits on getting them to the recipient. He had an open casket, and you could not tell he was an organ donor. They did tests on his brain function and did not declare him dead until all brain function had stopped. It was comforting to know that 2 people were alive even though my dad was not. He helped save 2 people and that is reason enough for me to say yes, to organ donation.


Lisa

Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798337 is a reply to message #798309 ] Thu, 17 April 2014 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you, Lisa, for sharing that.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798411 is a reply to message #797981 ] Fri, 18 April 2014 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My son was a recipient (corneas)...it was troublesome for me then as prior to this I was always against it. But, you know, when it is *your* son...

I couldn't really understand why I was against it, to be honest. The most I can say is that there was, somewhere in the background of the religious things that flitted through my upbringing, a question about it - not necessarily a straight forward teaching. Yes, too, there were the horror stories - I just read one that wasn't supposed to be a horror story, but it did sound like it sorta/kinda was vague on the dead or not (I think that, too, brings into question when does life end in my mind, I suppose).

And, honestly, I have a hard time shaking that feeling/belief in me on an emotional/heart level. I've tried to "reason" with myself on the matter...people lost at sea, cremation (which was another tormenter in my head/heart), burned in fires, lost in wars, unburied and ... well the list goes on and on of people dying naturally without benefit of keeping a body completely in tact for the resurrection. (*Edited to say, I don't even think it is the resurrection that I have a quibble on...I can't identify it within myself to articulate.) It's just really difficult to shake for me, however. So, while we received a transplant for our son (three in all - none of them were successful) I myself am not listed as an organ donor.

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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #798416 is a reply to message #798411 ] Fri, 18 April 2014 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My daughter was a candidate for small bowel/liver transplant. She didn't get one because she was just too fragile to have a successful outcome and so she died at 19 years old. What a blessing to give someone the gift of life! I can't think of a a more "Christian" thing to do. And of course, our bodies are not our own.


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Re: thoughts on organ donation? [message #799695 is a reply to message #797981 ] Mon, 12 May 2014 03:06 Go to previous message
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It would not delay a funeral at all. They have to take viable tissue so if a person dies and they do not get the organs within a very short period of time they are no good. If a person is extremely ill they will not take the organs anyway because they need strong organs. So if a person was a heavy smoker his whole life most of the organs are damaged so much they are no good.

Organ donations come from accident victims and not ill people. And they do not stick people in the morgue and go back later for organs. There are some cases of using ligaments from cadavers but most of the transplants are right after death. The tissue has to have oxygen and once that is no longer getting there the decomposition starts very fast.

When my nieces son died at 20mths old he was a drowning victim and he was without oxygen to long they said his oxygen levels were just to low to use any organs.

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