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Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788055] Mon, 14 October 2013 11:26 Go to next message
Sister P  is currently offline Sister P
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Gen 6:19-7:9

And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.



My question pertains mostly to Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

I don't know how many times I've read this but, this time, it struck me that "7" cannot be "male and females" 2x2. It would be 6 or 8. Ok, I don't have a problem with it meaning "7 pairs/couples" but then, using the same language, wouldn't that mean that the OTHER animals would've come in pairs, 2 pairs each? If the clean animals came in by 7 pairs, two by two, then it's possible the unclean came in by "two pairs". Do you see what I'm saying?



Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788070 is a reply to message #788055 ] Mon, 14 October 2013 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it was two zebras, male and female, and some combination of male and female of the (for example) sheep. And I think the reason for the extra clean animals is because they were going to need more of them to be reproducing so that they'd have a larger stock of sacrificial animals.
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788071 is a reply to message #788070 ] Mon, 14 October 2013 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, they needed them for sacrifice AND for eating as after the flood God ok'd "clean" meat for food. But I don't see that "combination" effect in the wording, do you?
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788102 is a reply to message #788055 ] Tue, 15 October 2013 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the problem is the KJV wording.

What is written here as "take to thee by sevens, the male and his female:" in the KJV is written "Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals," in the ESV and many other versions.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788114 is a reply to message #788102 ] Tue, 15 October 2013 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Lisa, I get the 7 pairs but it's the same wording for bringing the unclean animals on board. Wouldn't that also mean 2 *pairs* of unclean? It would make sense either way. I'm just wondering if there's something in the Hebrew that actually tells us if it's one pair or two pair of unclean animals?
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788226 is a reply to message #788055 ] Thu, 17 October 2013 02:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, most translations read: 'by sevens, a male and his female' and 'take two, male and female' - or they specify 'seven pairs' and 'one pair'. We have a copy of the Schocken bible, a Hebrew translation and it says, "seven and seven, male and his mate" and "two, male and his mate".

It seems that almost all the translators took this as 14 of each of the clean animals (7 gals and 7 guys) and 2 of each of the unclean (1 male and 1 female). This is how I always took it, but that's how my translation (NASB) said it.

[Updated on: Thu, 17 October 2013 02:41]


In His Joy and Grace,

Kate

Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788278 is a reply to message #788226 ] Thu, 17 October 2013 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kate, I'm assuming it's as you say.
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788288 is a reply to message #788278 ] Thu, 17 October 2013 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My husband looked this up for me, and a funny little side track...in the Hebrew, "male and female" is actually "a male beast and his wife." (At least, the word for "mate" is the same word that is used for a human wife.) Smile
Re: Noah's ark - "two by two"... [message #788320 is a reply to message #788288 ] Fri, 18 October 2013 07:52 Go to previous message
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I love the Hebrew language. I once tried to learn it but I am not someone that can learn languages. Crying or Very Sad Hebrew is a layered language with meanings in each letter and numerics and nuances. sigh

Thanks for your side note. Smile
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