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Christ's Return [message #777779] Thu, 25 April 2013 13:43 Go to next message
Linda Lee  is currently offline Linda Lee
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Christ's Return[ 30 vote(s) ]
1.Within a year 1 / 3%
2.Within 5 years 0 / 0%
3.Within 10 years 1 / 3%
4.20 2 / 7%
5.40 0 / 0%
6.60 0 / 0%
7.80 1 / 3%
8.100 1 / 3%
9.200+ 2 / 7%
10.I'd rather not speculate 22 / 73%

I know that we can't know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we can know the signs, the times, the seasons.

I was recently struck by an answer a secular expert gave on mainstream news program regarding technology and its impact on the world. He basically said it will be our demise within 100 years as anyone can commit anarchy on a large scale given the technology we have.

How long do you FEEL it will be until Christ returns, based on what we are seeing in the world, have seen in the world, and where it seems the world is headed?





[Updated on: Thu, 25 April 2013 14:57]


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Re: Christ's Return [message #777797 is a reply to message #777779 ] Thu, 25 April 2013 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't have a specific idea in mind. My personal feeling is that it appears imminent to me. But, then, it felt imminent to Paul as well. Cool


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Christ's Return [message #777805 is a reply to message #777779 ] Thu, 25 April 2013 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just to be really clear - this is pure speculation.
Paul said that his life's task was "to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord."

My personal belief is that the church was no afterthought but was the eternal purpose of the Creator. Galatians 3:24 says that " the law was our guardian until Christ came." I look at it this way: Everything leading up to Jesus was the prelude; we are living God's plan for the earth. (Well, not his ultimate plan because He wanted there to be no sin, but He knew there would be so this is the plan.) How many years were there before Jesus? Absolute minimum 4000. So I figure He's going to keep this earth spinning for many many years to come.

But I'm ready now! Very Happy


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Re: Christ's Return [message #777811 is a reply to message #777779 ] Thu, 25 April 2013 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Linda Lee wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 12:43

I know that we can't know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we can know the signs, the times, the seasons.



I'd have to disagree with that assertion. We are told to "be ready" because no one knows when it will happen. We are told that it will be like the days of Noah when people did not know it was happening until after the flood came (no warning). We are told that it will happen "when you do not think He will." The whole theme of Matthew 25 is constant preparedness, not "looking for signs."
Re: Christ's Return [message #777815 is a reply to message #777811 ] Thu, 25 April 2013 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Someone said once: Live like the Lord is coming back today and make plans like He's not coming back for 1,000 years.


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: Christ's Return [message #777836 is a reply to message #777797 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa R. wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 15:56

I don't have a specific idea in mind. My personal feeling is that it appears imminent to me. But, then, it felt imminent to Paul as well. Cool

This is my feeling too. The political issues in our world and the rise of technology can make it *look* like Jesus' return is imminent - but, like you said, it looked imminent 2,000 years ago, too. I don't think we can really tell -- I'd like it to be soon, but also believe it could still be hundreds, if not even thousands, of years from now.


Emily
Re: Christ's Return [message #777840 is a reply to message #777836 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted within the next 20 years. I wanted to give myself a little leeway Very Happy


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Re: Christ's Return [message #777844 is a reply to message #777840 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michele (Queen of Cheap) wrote on Fri, 26 April 2013 07:50

I voted within the next 20 years. I wanted to give myself a little leeway Very Happy

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Re: Christ's Return [message #777850 is a reply to message #777811 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 17:59

Linda Lee wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 12:43

I know that we can't know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we can know the signs, the times, the seasons.



I'd have to disagree with that assertion. We are told to "be ready" because no one knows when it will happen. We are told that it will be like the days of Noah when people did not know it was happening until after the flood came (no warning). We are told that it will happen "when you do not think He will." The whole theme of Matthew 25 is constant preparedness, not "looking for signs."


But Jesus, Himself, said that we could know the signs.

"From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.

So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates.
(Mt 13:28)

Of course that's not telling us to *look* for signs, but neither did the original poster.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Christ's Return [message #777853 is a reply to message #777811 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

We are told that it will be like the days of Noah when people did not know it was happening until after the flood came (no warning).


The people didn't know, but thankfully Noah and his family did Smile .

[Updated on: Fri, 26 April 2013 13:51]

Re: Christ's Return [message #777855 is a reply to message #777779 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not gonna speculate. Smile


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Re: Christ's Return [message #777856 is a reply to message #777779 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not speculating (which was my answer) but all the signs look like it's imminent. The technology boom - where it is very easy and no longer unthinkable for every eye to see Him. The degradation of society. (Is it worse than in Roman days or do we just think it is?) The legitimizing of sin. (But that probably was true in Roman times as well) But the fact that there are still several thousand people groups who have yet to hear the Gospel makes me think that it's not that soon.

I do think that America is rapidly losing it's standing as the major world power. I think things here are going to get much, much worse, and Christians need to pull their heads out of the sand. I fear we are in for persecution like never before. (And no, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. We are being persecuted against. Just read any news site, not just the conservative ones, and it is pretty evident that Christians are NOT well liked. We've been sheltered from it for far too long.)

My concern? I still have so many lost family members for which I daily pray. I'm ready to go, but I hate the thought of their destiny.


Teri in AZ

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Re: Christ's Return [message #777857 is a reply to message #777850 ] Fri, 26 April 2013 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa R. wrote on Fri, 26 April 2013 11:53

Scott wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 17:59

Linda Lee wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 12:43

I know that we can't know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we can know the signs, the times, the seasons.



I'd have to disagree with that assertion. We are told to "be ready" because no one knows when it will happen. We are told that it will be like the days of Noah when people did not know it was happening until after the flood came (no warning). We are told that it will happen "when you do not think He will." The whole theme of Matthew 25 is constant preparedness, not "looking for signs."


But Jesus, Himself, said that we could know the signs.

"From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.

So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates.
(Mt 13:28)

Of course that's not telling us to *look* for signs, but neither did the original poster.


I think you meant Matthew 24:33 (or else Mark 13:28-29). Either way, you stopped reading a verse too early. Mark 13:30 and Matthew 24:34 say essentially the same thing:
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

This is where Jesus was answering the question the disciples posed in the beginning of this discourse - when will Jerusalem be destroyed? The answer? Within a generation - which we know happened historically in A.D. 70.

Let's look at the beginning of this passage:
"And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Matthew 24:1-2

Jesus says Jerusalem and the temple will be destroyed.

"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Matthew 24:3

Jesus' disciples ask him at least two questions, thinking they are likely the same question. 1) When will this (the destruction of Jerusalem) happen? 2) What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the world?

Jesus answers. He tells folks to watch for all sorts of signs of the fall of Jerusalem and then to flee when they see it happening, and then categorically states that this will happen within some of their life times, which we historically know to be true. The answer to the disciples' first question was in A.D. 70.

Jesus then proceeds to answer the second question (about his return and the end of the earth). What's the very first thing He says about it in verse 35? "But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

So, Jesus, when specifically asked about the destruction of Jerusalem, says there will be signs and to be prepared to flee AND that it will happen within a generation. He then says that nobody knows when He will return and the world will end and spends the next chapter and a half telling stories of constant preparedness.
Re: Christ's Return [message #777874 is a reply to message #777779 ] Sat, 27 April 2013 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not going to speculate, but I'm sure we can agree that this ship (the world) is sinking fast.

As much as I'd like to say I hope Jesus comes back tomorrow, I'm really excited about the curriculum I have for next year, so I'd appreciate it if He could give me about 14 months. Laughing
Re: Christ's Return [message #778009 is a reply to message #777779 ] Mon, 29 April 2013 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dh and I are taking a Bible prophecy class at church and it would appear that everything that NEEDS to happen before Christ's return happened in 1948, when Israel was made a nation again.

I expect not to see it in my lifetime, but think it's likely in the next 100 years or so (purely my own speculation.)


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Re: Christ's Return [message #778033 is a reply to message #777779 ] Mon, 29 April 2013 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Linda Lee wrote on Thu, 25 April 2013 13:43

I know that we can't know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we can know the signs, the times, the seasons.


Well, I believe that this *is* scriptural and accurate, Linda. I voted that I wouldn't speculate only because I don't think it is a year-thing, but do feel that there are things that have to be fulfilled and fall in line first ... I don't feel that everything was wrapped and ready to go after 1948, though...so...in God's timing and mercy is the best timeline I can estimate.


Peace
Re: Christ's Return [message #778038 is a reply to message #777779 ] Tue, 30 April 2013 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since this is hot topics, I'm going to push the issue of signs a bit from Matthew 24. And before answering, I'd like to ask that you re-read the chapter. How can you infer that Christ is teaching his followers to look for signs of his final coming?

My view: although the division is not as clear as a modern writer might make it, there is a clear division in the chapter at verse 36. As Scott pointed out, before that verse, Jesus spends all his words telling his followers to look for signs in order to be ready for *something*. After that verse and for the whole next chapter, Jesus spends all his words telling his disciples that they cannot tell when *something* will happen so they must always be ready.

The only way I can figure out that people think the two somethings are the same is that Jesus starts out saying they should recognize the general time of his return while not knowing the specific day and hour.

But in verse 15, Jesus does give a very specific sign of whatever he is talking about in the first section. And if I am always ready, what does it benefit me to recognize the general return time? Or to put it another way, if this is the way you interpret the chapter, and you think all the signs have been fulfilled for Christ to return, what have you done that I haven't done and should be doing? Do you have a get-away plan, as Jesus indicates you should in verses 16-20? And where will you go, to get away from Christ's return? And why would you want to?

Back in the 70's, there was written a very popular eschatological book that people bought hook, line, and sinker. The churches in America used to be predominantly post-millenial, but since his book they are predominantly pre-millenial. I don't say that to argue either position, but just to note the influence of his book. Most of this generation has been heavily influenced by that teaching about the signs of Matthew 24, and I just encourage you to rethink the chapter. Doesn't it make more sense that Jesus was talking about the fall of Jerusalem first (complete with stones falling and abomination of desolation) and far-future, unknown return after verse 35?


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Teri in AZ wrote on Fri, 26 April 2013 14:03



My concern? I still have so many lost family members for which I daily pray. I'm ready to go, but I hate the thought of their destiny.

Amen and amen.


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