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Would You Know Poll? [message #697738] Sat, 07 May 2011 15:35 Go to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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Would You Know Poll[ 24 vote(s) ]
1.My church probably would have the person share publicly to tell everyone. 0 / 0%
2.My church probably would tell certain people. 6 / 25%
3.My church would inform us somehow. 2 / 8%
4.My church probably would not know. 2 / 8%
5.My church probably would not tell anyone. 3 / 13%
6.I do not have a current church 0 / 0%
7.I do not know 11 / 46%
8.Something else 0 / 0%
9.Some combo 0 / 0%

So how does your church handle people on the s*x off*nd*r registry or other complicated backgrounds who attend church or become members? Here's a poll...

[Updated on: Sat, 07 May 2011 17:41]


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697743 is a reply to message #697738 ] Sat, 07 May 2011 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tina  is currently offline Tina
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Sherry, does a person have to give his SSN to the church in order for them to find out if they are an offender?

We only do backgroud checks for the paid nursery workers.

I guess anyone can attend. Confused
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697744 is a reply to message #697743 ] Sat, 07 May 2011 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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Tina, oh, sorry...I don't want to add to the fear factor. We certainly have enough things to worry about as mommas. It's in the news in my area, that's where the poll came from.

If you google Megan's Law (which is the registry by state), the first page of google results brings you to Klaaskids, which I can never remember the name, which is a nationwide listing by state. Go to the bottom of this page, to see the states listed. That takes you, probably, to your own states page, when you click on it.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-legmeg.htm

Not sure how it works all over, but for my state, you can look up by name or by town. Also, on ours, if you don't enter anything and just hit search, it will give you an entire state's listing.

I still don't know if there's a nationwide search tool to put in a person's name and search over multiple states. It would be labor-intensive to put someone's name in all 50 states to check on someone.

[Updated on: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:11]


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697745 is a reply to message #697743 ] Sat, 07 May 2011 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A few years ago, there was one man who was attending who was a registered s*x offender - he was a brother-in-law of some very faithful members who had gotten out of prison, and had since gotten saved and was truly trying to change his life. The brother-in-law informed our pastor of his record and the pastor in turn notified the board members and head usher, just so they would be "aware." But it was not announced to everyone, and I don't think that everyone needed to know. The man attended for several years, was a faithful member and tither, and really made a radical change in his life. Our pastor, board, and ushers watched him closely and there were never any incidents.


Emily
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697746 is a reply to message #697745 ] Sat, 07 May 2011 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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Our church is involved fairly heavily in prison ministry lately, so this will become more and more an issue to deal with, I think.

And I certainly know that someone can be on the registry who should not be, probably. We have relatives who have a relative in prison in another state.

The reason? The family says he left a gang [can we all say omerta?], came back home, got saved, got married, turned his life around, and that the girlfriend of the gang leader accused him. He says that he did not do it, that he was not even in the state when they said he did. His family stands by him. However, some evidence was disallowed for some reason. He has been imprisoned. The family believes that he will eventually be killed by the gang in prison.

He is on the list, but says that he is innocent.

And I certainly know that some people say they are innocent who are not.

It's quite a dilemma for churches, I think.

[Updated on: Sat, 07 May 2011 17:44]


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Sherry from NH
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697830 is a reply to message #697738 ] Sun, 08 May 2011 06:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa L. in Pa.  is currently offline Lisa L. in Pa.
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Interesting question. I'm not entirely sure if there would be much mention UNLESS s/he wanted to work with the kids (be it in the nursery, youth groups, etc.) I know that all of us who work with the kids were at one time required to get our clearances (and if I remember correctly our church's insurance carrier was rather insistent on that happening.)

I'm sure our Deacons (and perhaps Trustees) would be made aware of it.

Of course, in our area which is still smaller, information like that has a way of getting around.


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Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697831 is a reply to message #697738 ] Sun, 08 May 2011 07:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa T.  is currently offline Lisa T.
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The person would not be permitted to work with young people in any way. The person in charge of background checks would be aware, obviously, and perhaps the director of religious education, if necessary. If the person were a parent of children in the church, teachers and youth directors would probably be made aware, since parents are usually around young people for some events. I think other than that, it would not be made public by the church.

OTOH, small town! So everyone would probably know, just not through the church. Maybe not if the person recently moved here from "outside" the community, though.


Lisa T.
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697837 is a reply to message #697738 ] Sun, 08 May 2011 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barbara K (NC)
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Sherry, I'm unclear on whether you're asking about someone working with children or simply someone wanting to attend church. I'm getting the impression that some folks are wishing that there was a way to keep sex offenders from even attending church....and I think that is rather dangerous ground for a believer to be on.


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Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697929 is a reply to message #697745 ] Mon, 09 May 2011 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emily wrote on Sun, 08 May 2011 06:04

A few years ago, there was one man who was attending who was a registered s*x offender...

The brother-in-law informed our pastor of his record and the pastor in turn notified the board members and head usher, just so they would be "aware." But it was not announced to everyone, and I don't think that everyone needed to know.


Agree with this - key people need to know, but not the whole congregation. I'm glad this was handled discreetly! It can be so hard for people to rehabilitate themselves and rejoin mainstream society - the church should be one of the first places to welcome those who need forgiveness and a clean slate!


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Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #697936 is a reply to message #697929 ] Mon, 09 May 2011 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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elizabby and all, the poll is coming from the ongoing coverage of a church and how it handled alleged abuse within the church, and the broader issues of how it handles s*x**l off*nd*rs, in general, leading to the broader discussion of how our own churches may handle the same kinds of things.

The question that the media seems to be focused on is how parents are informed or not informed.

Barbara -- because of the broader questions, I'm not focused on any one situation. It could be a person attending, a person becoming a member, getting involved in ministry. The media focused on people who sang in the choir, were on the s*x**l off*nd*rs registry, and whether people knew that.

I think the issue could be much broader, because there are things other than the registry that can affect people. Many parents are very trusting at church. There are all sorts of people who struggle, but are not convicted of anything and are not on a list anywhere. Even the reasons someone was in prison can be very difficult to determine.

[Updated on: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:21]


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Sherry from NH
Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #698035 is a reply to message #697936 ] Mon, 09 May 2011 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know with certainly what my church would do (but I had to vote #5). We have a lady in the church that is a registered sex offender in the state of GA. The church has never addressed it though the pastor is well aware. When you talk to her she is a very nice lady. She is a member of the church and attends faithfully. She is on the softball team. I have no details of why she is a registered sex offender but I will be very honest... I think the church has the right to know the details. I think SHE should be the one to get up in front of the church and explain it and then assure the church of what her relationship with God is now.


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Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #698050 is a reply to message #697743 ] Mon, 09 May 2011 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tina wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 14:50

Sherry, does a person have to give his SSN to the church in order for them to find out if they are an offender?

We only do backgroud checks for the paid nursery workers.

I guess anyone can attend. Confused

Our church does not have any paid workers (other than church staff - pastor, secretary, counselor, janitor) BUT we do background checks on ANY AND EVERY ONE working with children and teens...even kids who have grown up in the church and begin to do nursery work.


In His Joy and Grace,

Kate

Re: Would You Know Poll? [message #698056 is a reply to message #697738 ] Mon, 09 May 2011 16:14 Go to previous message
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We are the same as Kate. It isn't just people who work in children's ministry. We also have small groups and if you have childcare, anyone doing it MUST have had a background check done. The only exception is anyone helping who is under 18.

So when we have the church picnic and there are games for the kids OR there is a child oriented outreach like an egg hunt, everyone involved directly with the kids has had a background check done.

Typically, all official church members are expected to serve in childcare for the small group. Also, only members are allowed to serve in children's ministry. So...while you don't have to serve as a member, there are some instances where it is expected. I'd guess that if someone who was a member had a past, they would speak with their small group leader OR the pastors would probably know already and they would inform small group leaders so they'd know that person would be unable to serve. You'd have to refuse to serve and someone might eventually ask why you're unwilling to serve if you're a member.

I don't know what they would do about non-members. They'd have to be investigating people and I doubt they would do that. If they were told by the person, I'd suspect small group leaders MIGHT be informed as a precaution. Certainly all of the pastors would know and most likely those in charge of Children's ministry. We do have member only meetings once a quarter, but I doubt the entire church (members) would be informed unless there was a problem with it.

If it was a current issue, the church members would be told if it was pertinent information or the person was being disciplined BUT details are not given.


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