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How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684891] Mon, 28 February 2011 19:17 Go to next message
blessedwithboys  is currently offline blessedwithboys
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Unions, good or bad?[ 35 vote(s) ]
1.I'm "mostly" Pro-Union 3 / 9%
2.I'm "mostly" Anti-Union 29 / 83%
3.Other 3 / 9%

Please answer in light of what Unions are like today.


**If you have a negative opinion, would you still try to get an apprenticeship in a Union?


~It is well with my soul...
Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684914 is a reply to message #684891 ] Mon, 28 February 2011 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michele (Queen of Cheap)  is currently offline Michele (Queen of Cheap)
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Anti union. I will say that when unions first started I think that they were needed and they worked well to improve working conditions in factories. Today they are corrupt and their main objective is for the higher ups to fill their pockets with money. Not that I have an opinion or anything.


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684925 is a reply to message #684891 ] Mon, 28 February 2011 22:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
denise d
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Mostly anti.

My dh had a grievance filed against him by a union member who was part of an organization that does contracting because he would not allow workers to drive home from a work site when no vehicles were allowed to move because of very dangerous weather conditions in North Dakota. It was ridiculous.

There were hearings and lies about what dh said during the incident(thankfully there were also witnesses who corroborated the truth).

I think unions have outlived their usefulness. I think that the teachers' unions have especially done that.




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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684932 is a reply to message #684925 ] Mon, 28 February 2011 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sue
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I'm mostly anti union, especially for public employees. I think there is something wrong when you get to vote in the people you will be negotiating with, who have no long term fiscal responsibility beyond the next election.

Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684937 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laura in VA  is currently offline Laura in VA
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Would the apprenticeship lead to a certification that could then be taken to a non-union job? Or would all jobs in your state have to be union? Can the training/certification be gotten and then you move to VA where there is no union Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Wink Laughing (can't blame a girl for trying!!!)

Would there be personal convictions that would not allow you to support things the union supports with your "dues." For instance if they give money to planned parenthood and you have a personal conviction about them...

A REALLY hard question with the economy being what it is and jobs and training being so hard to find!! I can definitely see taking the job and training and putting up with the union as long as the dues don't eat up too much of the pay.


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684938 is a reply to message #684937 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 00:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
~Janice  is currently offline ~Janice
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I would go where the jobs are but with caution. Years ago a girlfriend of mine was married to a union (big powerful one) "field rep" which - at least for this group - was really just a thug who kept union members in line. He ended up in federal prison, along with his other "reps", for nearly killing a couple guys who were not cooperating. Sad. I agree with Michele - they started for needed reasons but as with anything that has money flowing into it it became very corrupt at many levels. Unions need to deflate a lot.


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684959 is a reply to message #684914 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa L. in Pa.  is currently offline Lisa L. in Pa.
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Michele (Queen of Cheap) wrote on Mon, 28 February 2011 21:20

Anti union. I will say that when unions first started I think that they were needed and they worked well to improve working conditions in factories. Today they are corrupt and their main objective is for the higher ups to fill their pockets with money. Not that I have an opinion or anything.


I don't have much of an opinion or anything either.....and it's just like Michele's. Wink


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684980 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with Michele and Lisa as well Wink but I'm not sure that's really the point here. Yes we feel that way...but if you lived in a state where a union was the only choice to go into a chosen field then would you go into it and deal with then??

Example: Your son decides to become an electrician or a plumber...to work in your state as either of those he MUST be part of a union. The wage he would earn is still enough to support a family etc, and there isn't any other job opportunities available that could make an equal pay. NOW do you join the union, even though you don't agree with them??

Personally I think it is something I would like to avoid, but to be in a union is not sin, so while it isn't my preference, I have strong feelings about people not working and supporting themselves either...so I'd let him join and pray for protection and that somehow the union would be brought down.


So now the Lord says, "Stop right where you are! Look for the old, godly way; and walk in it. Travel its path and you will find rest for your souls. ~Jer 6:16

Everyone can purchase their freedom by having the courage to forgo the perks of dependency.
Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684988 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am 100% anti-union.
That said, my husband flies for an airline which is closed shop.
No union dues = no job. Go figure, he pays money to go to work!

I understand the argument that he supposedly is benefiting from having a union and so there-fore must pay dues like everyone else. It's just that I (we) don't see the benefits and those union dues would be pretty useful in other ways.


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25yos, 23yos, 13 yod I guess I am old enough for adult children.

My stomach hurts, but I still choose joy! :-)

Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #684997 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I completely agree with the opinions expressed here.

Laura has a bit of inside info, so she knows exactly what I'm getting at. Ethan is going to apply to get an apprentice position with the local electrician's union in a couple of weeks. It's not that he has a calling to be an electrician or that he couldn't pay thousands of dollars to go to a trade school or college to get the training; the allure is that he will get paid to learn a trade and will be working and going to school simultaneously.

The apprenticeship is 5 years long. He would be able to leave the union after that and find a non-union job.

There is wisdom in his thinking. I'm supporting him either way and he's sure that he can learn from then without succumbing to their agenda. I have only shared a wee bit of how I feel with him and am trusting God to lead Ethan in the way he wants him to go. Meanwhile, I have this "yucky feeling", but maybe that's just because my baby is growing up?

If this doesn't work out, there are a couple of big and successful machine shops that offer machining apprenticeships (not sure whether they're union shops or not) that he can apply to. He thinks he'll enjoy being an electrician more than being a machinist.

I thought maybe I was an oddball in the way that I feel, but maybe not.


~It is well with my soul...
Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685000 is a reply to message #684997 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ReneeL.inMN
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blessedwithboys wrote on Tue, 01 March 2011 09:49


I'm supporting him either way and he's sure that he can learn from then without succumbing to their agenda.



Oh for sure he can do it! As he gets going, there will be pressure and it's NOT wrong of him to get involved. There NEED to be honest men/women involved in unions. If he chooses to get involved, he will be able to have a voice (whether it's popular or not) and he just may be a voice of change!

Even though I am anti=union
Wink


ReneeL.inMN
25yos, 23yos, 13 yod I guess I am old enough for adult children.

My stomach hurts, but I still choose joy! :-)

Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685008 is a reply to message #685000 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My dad's entire career was in education. He resisted every joining the teacher's union.


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685012 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was just thinking of this question a week or so ago when unions were being discussed in the news.

My grandfather spoke to me on the second to last visit I made to him before he died, and really tried to impart to me the importance and goodness of both unions and democrats. I really think that both were things he was both passionate about and were things that in his small town worked well to protect the citizens...I also think it came from his age...things were "different" back when he was a young man and those things may have really been more protective than what we have today.

The police here have a union - my husband is a police officer. I'll have to speak with my husband a bit more to get a full concept of unions in general or on his specific union - but I've seen first hand as a wife in a single income family where the unions have protected their own from the government's hand...and in my opinion, by way of extension, have protected citizens more than the government was willing to do.

Too, when I worked for a corporation, there was a period that was very heavy when a union was trying to form (or people were trying to form a union) - it was a hot mess, honestly, and corporate held massive and multiple meetings with every single employee - and they were just as threatening and foreboding sounding. The union didn't get in, the corporation eventually began to nose dive though I can't say the two are at all related...one followed the other within a couple of years. I was too young at the time to truly understand - unions still are confusing when spoken of as a whole for me - but both my mother and father were, from what I recall, anti-union. That confused me more because of my father's disagreement with his own father.

While I didn't agree with my grandfather on the democrat issue, I knew that he really really is an honorable man who had a lot of workings with supporting unions - which is why even though I had this whole "unions are evil" residual teaching from my own period in corporate I did not speak against my husband joining.


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685019 is a reply to message #685012 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie wrote on Tue, 01 March 2011 11:29

I was just thinking of this question a week or so ago when unions were being discussed in the news.

My grandfather spoke to me on the second to last visit I made to him before he died, and really tried to impart to me the importance and goodness of both unions and democrats. I really think that both were things he was both passionate about and were things that in his small town worked well to protect the citizens...I also think it came from his age...things were "different" back when he was a young man and those things may have really been more protective than what we have today.

The police here have a union - my husband is a police officer. I'll have to speak with my husband a bit more to get a full concept of unions in general or on his specific union - but I've seen first hand as a wife in a single income family where the unions have protected their own from the government's hand...and in my opinion, by way of extension, have protected citizens more than the government was willing to do.

Too, when I worked for a corporation, there was a period that was very heavy when a union was trying to form (or people were trying to form a union) - it was a hot mess, honestly, and corporate held massive and multiple meetings with every single employee - and they were just as threatening and foreboding sounding. The union didn't get in, the corporation eventually began to nose dive though I can't say the two are at all related...one followed the other within a couple of years. I was too young at the time to truly understand - unions still are confusing when spoken of as a whole for me - but both my mother and father were, from what I recall, anti-union. That confused me more because of my father's disagreement with his own father.

While I didn't agree with my grandfather on the democrat issue, I knew that he really really is an honorable man who had a lot of workings with supporting unions - which is why even though I had this whole "unions are evil" residual teaching from my own period in corporate I did not speak against my husband joining.


Ron once worked for a machine shop that tried to bring the union in. The owner closed the doors. I seen it coming a mile away. There was no way that this small shop could afford to meet union demands.

The last job Ron had was with GE, making train engine parts. We were blessed that he worked in a non-union plant. An hour north of where he worked, was another GE plant, where they would assemble the train engines, it was a union shop. The shop Ron worked at went over and above in benefits to their employees, in an effort to keep the union out of the plant. Anything that the union plant got, Ron's plant got that and more. The company handbook even stressed the need for employees and upper management to work together so they can continue on without an "intercessor".

In my experience, I've found that a lot pro-union people are very zealous and sometimes hostile in their stance.


~It is well with my soul...
Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685022 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm very confident of Ethan's ability to stand strong no matter where he is Smile He's been raised into one of the godliest young men I've ever the privilege to meet!

So does that mean 5 years and THEN Virginia??? Very Happy Very Happy Wink Laughing


So now the Lord says, "Stop right where you are! Look for the old, godly way; and walk in it. Travel its path and you will find rest for your souls. ~Jer 6:16

Everyone can purchase their freedom by having the courage to forgo the perks of dependency.
Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685056 is a reply to message #684891 ] Tue, 01 March 2011 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am more anti-union BUT I don't think it's sin to join a union, so if we had to, we would. Where Kevin works they always vote about being closed, but it always gets voted down. In education, (don't know about other fields) if you have to join a union, you can demand that your union dues go to support the charity OF YOUR CHOICE. That is what we would do with our dues if we had to join. We'd support HSLDA. (ironic, huh? Wink)

[edited to correct typo]

[Updated on: Tue, 01 March 2011 14:58]


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Re: How do you feel about Unions in general in this day and age? [message #685239 is a reply to message #684891 ] Wed, 02 March 2011 12:59 Go to previous message
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I am anti union, but i dont really know enough about them to base it on anything than a gut reaction....


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