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What is your view of mental illness? [message #541244] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:05 Go to next message
Eve  is currently offline Eve
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Mental illness[ 25 vote(s) ]
1.I think physical and mental illness is of demonic nature. 1 / 4%
2.I think all mental illness is the same as physical illness and should be looked at in both clinical help as well as spiritual help.. 13 / 52%
3.I think mental illness opens up demonic natures. 0 / 0%
4.I think all mental illness is of demonic nature. 0 / 0%
5.I think that only mental illness is of demonic nature, but not physical illness. 1 / 4%
6.I think children of mental illness have opened doors to Satanic means. 0 / 0%
7.I think only adults can be open to demonic means. 0 / 0%
8.Other (explain why, please!) 10 / 40%

I have to admit, I struggle in this area, even though my dd has been diagnosed with mental illness. What are your thoughts? Do we need to be praying out demons? Or not? (TRUST me, I would NEVER do this in her presence, as it may frighten her and make things worse!) I was raised to think that mental illness was of demonic nature... now I am not so sure.. or should I be?

I have a mental ill friend who uses her mental illness as excuse to sin and I believe has allowed Satan to take a foothold. Will this happen to a child, even from a Christian home? My mother in law uses it as an excuse to be selfish, which I believe is also a foothold.

Can you separate mental illness from physical illness? Are they both open doors? Or are we, as Christians protected from this? I have heard both views from different denominational places. I have even heard you can "speak" bad things into people's life. I am not sure what I believe about this area.

I would love to know your opinions, even if it is just to answer the pole!
Eve

[Updated on: Fri, 05 June 2009 18:06]

Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541245 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I put other because I think mental illness can have many causes: trauma to the head, poor nutrition, hormonal imbalances, spiritual oppression, demonic possession, poor mental/emotional behavior and habits that got ingrained to the point it progressed to mental illness, oppressive or abusive parenting, even dehydration.

I do NOT think that ALL mental illness is spiritual in nature. But neither do I think it's all physical and should be treated simply as a medical condition. Which is why it's so difficult to treat... It's not always as clear-cut as we might wish.

Charity
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541247 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I also wanted to say that while I have always had compassion on those with physical diseases, my heart really aches for those with mental illness. When you are physically ill at least you're still YOU. But when you lose your mind, you lose who you are. It's very sad. Sad

Charity
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541248 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think mental illness is the result of the fall, just like the common cold. I think doctors are our modern day 'healers' and God works through them, and the advances of science. I think prayer and spiritual well being are important so God can fully work in our lives.

Mental illness is a trial, like any other, that Satan can use to divert us from our purposes for God. Because of the oppression of on-going trials, I believe Satan can gain a foothold, but I don't believe the mental illness itself opens a portal to demonic possessions.

When a person has mental illness, it can be much like a high fever--they don't know what they are talking about, they don't have their faith to rely on, they can't think or do for themselves. God knows this too.

You are very wise to examine where you might be an impediment to Hannah's recovery. The options you suggest in your poll reflect a strong leaning toward "mental illness is bad"; but I would venture to think you wouldn't think the same way about someone that has cancer. You are dealing with a lot...your own health crisis, Hannah's health, and the necessity to completely shift a value/belief that you probably never even consciously aquired.

He is strong and glorified where we are weak.


In Him--Tracy
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541256 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted #8, only because #2 was too all inclusive. I would say I think most mental illness is the same as physical illness and should be looked at in both clinical help as well as spiritual help.


Peace
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541259 is a reply to message #541248 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tracy, it is comforting for you to say that mental illness can be like physical illness in that they can't think as well spiritually... I am reminded of the time I was in surgery and recovering. The only thing that got me through was the prayers of others, and God constantly singing over me songs from my past, and speaking scriptures through my past Bible reading. I was amazed how even on heavy drugs, I was able to recall memory verses just like that. That was the Holy Spirit.

Eve
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541264 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't vote because the choices were not exactly what I would choose.

I do think some mental illness is caused by demonic influence. I do not think that demonic influence is caused by mental illness.

I do think that some mental illness is caused by physical things, as Charity mentioned...there are so many influences in our lives...drugs, pollutants, food additives, and just imbalances, deficiencies and such in our own bodies.

I don't believe being in a Christian home protects anybody from anything. A relationship with Christ can protect from demonic influence, I believe, but we should never assume that just because *we* are Christians that anybody in our household would automatically be "protected" from anything any more than living in a "Christian nation" protects people from things. It might be helpful, as we would, of course, pray over our children, etc. But I do not believe there's any automatic protection just because a child is "from a Christian home."

I think if you are feeling from the Holy Spirit that your (Hannah's)situation might be related to demons, then by all means pray! But remember that it's the Lord's responsibility, not yours, to handle any demons.

And I, personally, wouldn't even consider stopping treatments. If you feel led to approach things as if it could be demons, I'd ADD that prayer, not do it instead!!

And above all, I wouldn't get all focused on demons. Once you start down that path, it's so easy to "see a demon behind every bush," so to speak...and we begin to blame everything on them, and lose sight of Christ and His work in our lives and situations. We tend to forget that He who is in us is greater than He who is in world. Don't lose sight of that! Smile


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541266 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And would like to add to Lisa's thoughts...if you are of a mindset to think that mental illness is caused by demons, I don't think it's a good idea to communicate that to Hannah. I don't think this is a good time for her to have to carry the additional burden of "shame" - that she has somehow sinned in some way as to open herself up to demons. I urge you to allow the doctors to continue their medical treatment and handle any spiritual concerns privately between you and your husband. Remember that Jesus did not have to be physically with the person to heal them. He sometimes just spoke the word from a distance.

Charity
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541272 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I chose #2, because this is the closest to what I believe - that the VAST MAJORITY of mental illness is based on a chemical imbalance in the brain and should be treated as such. In diabetes we know that the metabolism is not right, and we offer medication to correct it. In eczema the skin is inflamed and we offer medication to calm that, as best we can (cure not being possible, usually). If there is a chemical brain imbalance, or a genetic problem with the function of the mental processes - surely we should look at helping people with that FIRST, rather than labelling them "possessed" or demon-ridden??

Of course, as with physical illness, there are lots of things we can do to make ourselves worse, as well as better. If you have a back injury and you lie around in the dark for weeks, your back will get worse. If you have depression and you lie around in the dark for weeks, your depression will get worse too. Similarly, diet and exercise and lifestyle all have their impact both on the body and the psyche.

The few people I have ever encountered who I seriously wondered about demon possession were all NOT mentally ill - just very, very scary. Most of the mentally ill people I encounter I feel sorry for - same as the sick people - they are suffering and sick, and often not getting the treatment they need.

Mentally ill people often suffer MORE than physically ill people - their illness is less understood and MANY people secretly think that if only they would "pull themselves together" or "make more of an effort" that the mental illness would go away. This just shows that most people don't understand mental illness! Mad You don't tell a blind person to "try harder" to see colours!!

(This is all general comment, I haven't followed what has been happening in your family in any detail, so this is not about you and Hannah in particular.)


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541285 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In all honesty, I have been around a lot of people with mental illness and I don't really know of one who uses their illness as an "excuse" to sin, get their way, what-have-you.

But I suppose there are some that do, JUST as I suppose there are some with true PHYSICAL illness who use that to sin, get their own way, and the like.

Whenever I hear the "Christian mental illness arguments" that say that mental illness is from being "unspiritual" but physicall illnesses aren't, I have a silly mental image of a human body being divided: From the neck down was affected by the Fall but from the neck up, well, that's just because you're unspiritual. And I think how silly that is.

I agree very much with Tracy and Elizabby. Our minds are part of our bodies, our bodies and ALL of creation is affected by the Fall.

You're doing what you need to do for your dd, Eve. If she had a physical illness (and that delineation always amuses me as well: Is the *mind* not part of our *physical* bodies?), you would probably never question this.

Did any of the doctors explain to you all the chemical components of the brain and how things can get out of whack?


Michele
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541325 is a reply to message #541244 ] Fri, 05 June 2009 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Personally, I believe that mental illness can be either physical or demonic, the same as physical illness. Both come from the bottom line: we live in a fallen, imperfect world. I can't say that all mental or physical illness is solely physical or solely demonic, but they can be either or even a combination of both. Especially with mental illness, since prolonged mental illnesses may cause many physical problems, getting help with the physical part first can help address the spiritual part! Wink


Always in Him,
Vicki
Re: What is your view of mental illness? [message #541370 is a reply to message #541266 ] Sat, 06 June 2009 07:41 Go to previous message
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Charity wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 19:37

And would like to add to Lisa's thoughts...if you are of a mindset to think that mental illness is caused by demons, I don't think it's a good idea to communicate that to Hannah. I don't think this is a good time for her to have to carry the additional burden of "shame" - that she has somehow sinned in some way as to open herself up to demons. I urge you to allow the doctors to continue their medical treatment and handle any spiritual concerns privately between you and your husband. Remember that Jesus did not have to be physically with the person to heal them. He sometimes just spoke the word from a distance.

Charity


Totally agree!!


Blessings,
Lisa R.
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