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Jewish vs Christian conflict... (question clarified) [message #537747] Wed, 27 May 2009 03:05 Go to next message
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Jewish vs Christian conflict[ 19 vote(s) ]
1.I think Christians should always take the side of Christians against Jews. 0 / 0%
2.I think Christians should always take the side of Jews, even against other Christians. 1 / 5%
3.I think Christians should stay out of conflict between Jews and other Christians. 1 / 5%
4.I think Christians should be very careful when Christians and Jews are in conflict and stay out of it unless there is a clear-cut right/wrong side. 3 / 16%
5.Something else... 4 / 21%
6.I think Christians should evaluate the rights and wrongs of the situation impartially, as we would for any other conflict situation. 10 / 53%
7.I think Christians should stick to defending themselves and their homes and not get involved in other conflicts at all. 0 / 0%
8.I think Christians should always act as impartial mediators in any conflict situation. 0 / 0%

Sort of thinking about Sherrys's "patriotism" poll, and when loyalty to "our side" isn't so clear...

Oh, and I deliberately didn't put in a "combo" option - pick the most applicable! Wink

Just to clarify, I really had in mind nations rather than individuals and political issues rather than spiritual. This isn't the result of anything happening in the Middle East, just something I was thinking about...

[Updated on: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:52]


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537750 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 05:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I chose #4. I think that to stand with the Jews regardless would be foolish...obviously they are men and can make mistakes Wink So I think each situation should be evaluated on it's own. But I also think unless what they're clearing doing is wrong, it is wise to stand with them Wink God has his hand on his special people...and I'd rather be with them than against them!


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537859 is a reply to message #537750 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted # 4 Something Else.

I feel like such a goof on all these polls because I have to understand what context or what understanding is being used, so I can't give concrete answers. Are we speaking individual to individual, nation to nation, politics, religious mindsets, etc?

On a personal level I would have to say that unless and until it comes to crossing Messiah, I side with the Jewish people and the nation of Israel because I believe God to be with them. That isn't to say that I'm in agreement with everything that they do and it isn't to say that all of their unpopular political moves are unpopular with me. I do not support land for peace, for example so an administration which supports that view will not be one that I particularly have hope for but will continue to pray for the nation and her people's peace and safety.


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537867 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I want to re-read about the covenant between God and Abraham and then think some more, and then think about the "grafted in" section of the New Testament.

Individual conflicts or en masse.....nations in conflict? Groups? Wars?

I am goofing around in a hotel right now until dh is ready to go. I am interested in seeing what everyone has to say.


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537868 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We should pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for the Jewish people, but unless we are called into the conflict directly, I don't see a reason for us to be in the conflict. Now, if you were asking that if we as a nation should support Israel as a nation, that, to me, would be a totally different question. Wink


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537895 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Having been to Israel myself, I feel compelled to support the Jewish people. I agree with the not liking of the "land for peace" idea, peace in the middle east wont come til God says so (when the book of Revelation and Daniel start coming alive), not when everyone else tries to say so.

Though I wouldn't agree with the jewish folk on some things like if they thought someone else in this time and age was the messiah.
Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537896 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You know, Elizabby, I have NO clue what this poll is about (where is Michele's dinosaur under a rock picture?) Are you talking political or personal or spiritual? Really having no idea what you are asking.


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Kate

Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #537901 is a reply to message #537896 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I didn't vote, because I wasn't sure, either. Is there some breaking news in the middle east I'm missing?


Lucille
Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #538013 is a reply to message #537901 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lucille wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 03:58

Yes, I didn't vote, because I wasn't sure, either. Is there some breaking news in the middle east I'm missing?


Sorry, I've gone back and clarified the original question - no, nothing unusual going on in the Middle East that I'm aware of.


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... (question clarified) [message #538030 is a reply to message #537747 ] Wed, 27 May 2009 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is such a hard question for me to answer. I think that as believers we should recognize that Israel is STILL God's chosen ones, although they have been put on the back burner while God has grafted in the Church as His people (and His bride).

Does that mean we must agree with all their political stands? Not at all. Currently, I do NOT believe the nation of Israel is following after God, although I'm sure that there are faithful ones still looking ahead to the Messiah with their sight hidden from the One who has already come. But I think that the national identity has slipped away from the spiritual identity, and that it is the spiritual identity I must support.

And I have NO views of what America should do (or Australia) because none of us are living in Christian-theocracies.


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Kate

Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... (question clarified) [message #538125 is a reply to message #537747 ] Thu, 28 May 2009 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I chose #6.


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #538283 is a reply to message #538013 ] Thu, 28 May 2009 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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elizabby wrote on Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53

Lucille wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 03:58

Yes, I didn't vote, because I wasn't sure, either. Is there some breaking news in the middle east I'm missing?


Sorry, I've gone back and clarified the original question - no, nothing unusual going on in the Middle East that I'm aware of.



I'll share, just from the U.S. side of things, that President Obama - the president who said that he would sit down with our enemies without any preconditions - recently met with Israeli PM Netanyahu only with the precondition that Netanyahu acknowledge the creation of a Palestinian state. During the press conference which followed, Netanyahu did a masterful job refusing to support Obama's request. Instead, he focused on Iran and addressed the Palestinians needed to recognize the existance of Israel as a Jewish nation. He brought issue with Israeli humanitarian problems in Gaza and Palestinian rockets flying into Israel. The administration over here, from what I've seen {edited to add: the media orchestrates what I'm about to share}, has been using the Palestinian Christians as the face to accomplish their own agendas with Israel (I do not personally believe that Obama is a true friend of Israel, and therefore his choices and directives will follow that mindset.) This is what, honestly, came to my mind during the initial question. In this I will say that I am a supporter of Israel, and as a believer, would never want the faces of my children to be used as a tool by any administration for the destruction or weakening of the Jewish people. I can only think that a believer of any other nationality would have the same stand. I would not take the face of a believer to support a Palestinian state. Now, you've shared that you had no particular background or situation which prompted your poll - I'm just sharing that this is behind my recent answer.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:27]


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #538378 is a reply to message #538283 ] Thu, 28 May 2009 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 05:21

elizabby wrote on Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53

Lucille wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 03:58

Yes, I didn't vote, because I wasn't sure, either. Is there some breaking news in the middle east I'm missing?


Sorry, I've gone back and clarified the original question - no, nothing unusual going on in the Middle East that I'm aware of.



I'll share, just from the U.S. side of things, that President Obama - the president who said that he would sit down with our enemies without any preconditions - recently met with Israeli PM Netanyahu only with the precondition that Netanyahu acknowledge the creation of a Palestinian state. During the press conference which followed, Netanyahu did a masterful job refusing to support Obama's request. Instead, he focused on Iran and addressed the Palestinians needed to recognize the existance of Israel as a Jewish nation. He brought issue with Israeli humanitarian problems in Gaza and Palestinian rockets flying into Israel. The administration over here, from what I've seen {edited to add: the media orchestrates what I'm about to share}, has been using the Palestinian Christians as the face to accomplish their own agendas with Israel (I do not personally believe that Obama is a true friend of Israel, and therefore his choices and directives will follow that mindset.) This is what, honestly, came to my mind during the initial question. In this I will say that I am a supporter of Israel, and as a believer, would never want the faces of my children to be used as a tool by any administration for the destruction or weakening of the Jewish people. I can only think that a believer of any other nationality would have the same stand. I would not take the face of a believer to support a Palestinian state. Now, you've shared that you had no particular background or situation which prompted your poll - I'm just sharing that this is behind my recent answer.


Er - I'm confused. I don't know anything about this. So, as I understand it, what you are saying is that you don't want to support Palestinian Christians against Israel because they are being used unwittingly as propaganda for a pro-Palestine and anti-Israel Arab agenda? Is that right?


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #538425 is a reply to message #538378 ] Thu, 28 May 2009 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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elizabby wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 18:26

Jamie wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 05:21

elizabby wrote on Wed, 27 May 2009 19:53

Lucille wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 03:58

Yes, I didn't vote, because I wasn't sure, either. Is there some breaking news in the middle east I'm missing?


Sorry, I've gone back and clarified the original question - no, nothing unusual going on in the Middle East that I'm aware of.



I'll share, just from the U.S. side of things, that President Obama - the president who said that he would sit down with our enemies without any preconditions - recently met with Israeli PM Netanyahu only with the precondition that Netanyahu acknowledge the creation of a Palestinian state. During the press conference which followed, Netanyahu did a masterful job refusing to support Obama's request. Instead, he focused on Iran and addressed the Palestinians needed to recognize the existance of Israel as a Jewish nation. He brought issue with Israeli humanitarian problems in Gaza and Palestinian rockets flying into Israel. The administration over here, from what I've seen {edited to add: the media orchestrates what I'm about to share}, has been using the Palestinian Christians as the face to accomplish their own agendas with Israel (I do not personally believe that Obama is a true friend of Israel, and therefore his choices and directives will follow that mindset.) This is what, honestly, came to my mind during the initial question. In this I will say that I am a supporter of Israel, and as a believer, would never want the faces of my children to be used as a tool by any administration for the destruction or weakening of the Jewish people. I can only think that a believer of any other nationality would have the same stand. I would not take the face of a believer to support a Palestinian state. Now, you've shared that you had no particular background or situation which prompted your poll - I'm just sharing that this is behind my recent answer.


Er - I'm confused. I don't know anything about this. So, as I understand it, what you are saying is that you don't want to support Palestinian Christians against Israel because they are being used unwittingly as propaganda for a pro-Palestine and anti-Israel Arab agenda? Is that right?




No, that's not what I'm saying. The propaganda is that if my full sympathies are not with the Palestinian people in this two-state issue then I'm also betraying any brothers-in-faith that are Palestinian. I'm saying that, where I am, when the concept of your #2 statement (which stood out to me the most) is asked, it is phrased in such a way that an answer must be black and white - an Either Or. Either you are for Christian Or not for Christians...Either you support a Palestinian State (and in effect be anti-Israel) or you aren't Pro Christian. I do not believe being supportive of Palestinian Christians should equate to supporting the Palestinian state. The propaganda is trying to say that the two cannot be separate.

{edited because I left out a word}

[Updated on: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:02]


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #538539 is a reply to message #538425 ] Fri, 29 May 2009 02:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 10:01


Either you support a Palestinian State (and in effect be anti-Israel) or you aren't Pro Christian. I do not believe being supportive of Palestinian Christians should equate to supporting the Palestinian state. The propaganda is trying to say that the two cannot be separate. }


Right. I think you are quite correct - the issue of supporting people of faith on either side, is quite separate to the political solutions regarding the division of land.

But to digress a bit, is supporting a Two-State Solution (the preferred solution here in Australia) necessarily anti-Israel? I thought the whole point was that BOTH sides would then each have a state of their own?


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Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #539233 is a reply to message #538539 ] Sun, 31 May 2009 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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elizabby wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 02:57

Jamie wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 10:01


Either you support a Palestinian State (and in effect be anti-Israel) or you aren't Pro Christian. I do not believe being supportive of Palestinian Christians should equate to supporting the Palestinian state. The propaganda is trying to say that the two cannot be separate. }


Right. I think you are quite correct - the issue of supporting people of faith on either side, is quite separate to the political solutions regarding the division of land.

But to digress a bit, is supporting a Two-State Solution (the preferred solution here in Australia) necessarily anti-Israel? I thought the whole point was that BOTH sides would then each have a state of their own?




LOL, that's a Hot question even for a Hot Topics board. I would have to say that in my opinion, yes, a two-state solution is anti-Israel given the past history of trying to achieve such and what the eventual known outcome of such a move would be for Israel.


Peace
Re: Jewish vs Christian conflict... [message #539240 is a reply to message #539233 ] Sun, 31 May 2009 04:33 Go to previous message
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Jamie wrote on Sun, 31 May 2009 15:30

elizabby wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 02:57

Jamie wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 10:01


Either you support a Palestinian State (and in effect be anti-Israel) or you aren't Pro Christian. I do not believe being supportive of Palestinian Christians should equate to supporting the Palestinian state. The propaganda is trying to say that the two cannot be separate. }


Right. I think you are quite correct - the issue of supporting people of faith on either side, is quite separate to the political solutions regarding the division of land.

But to digress a bit, is supporting a Two-State Solution (the preferred solution here in Australia) necessarily anti-Israel? I thought the whole point was that BOTH sides would then each have a state of their own?




LOL, that's a Hot question even for a Hot Topics board. I would have to say that in my opinion, yes, a two-state solution is anti-Israel given the past history of trying to achieve such and what the eventual known outcome of such a move would be for Israel.


Obviously I'm not as well informed as you are on this topic - I have no idea what "history" or "known outcome" you are talking about. If this is too hot a topic for general discussion, have you got a link or article on this I could read? I really don't know that much about it - a general overview would be good.

Never mind - I've had a bit of a read and I think a short summary would be: it's complicated! Shocked I've now read about several "one state" solutions, a couple of "two-state" solutions and even a "three state" solution! Tricky stuff. I think this just proves that there is no simple solution...


[Updated on: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:00]


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