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Climate change: human? exists? [message #535409] Tue, 19 May 2009 20:54 Go to next message
Elizabby  is currently offline Elizabby
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Climate Change[ 29 vote(s) ]
1.I believe climate change is caused/contributed to by human activity/pollution 6 / 21%
2.I believe climate change is occurring, but is a natural phenomenon. 12 / 41%
3.I do not believe in climate change - for theological reasons (see below) 0 / 0%
4.I do not believe in climate change - for political reasons (see below) 0 / 0%
5.I do not believe in climate change - for scientific reasons (general science) 2 / 7%
6.I do not believe in climate change - for scientific reasons (not based in Creation science) 1 / 3%
7.I do not believe in climate change for some other reason 0 / 0%
8.I have not yet formed an opinion on climate change 1 / 3%
9.I have no interest in forming an opinion on climate change 2 / 7%
10.Something else... 5 / 17%

Just wondering what people think of climate change? Does it exist? Is it contributed/caused by humans, or would it be happening anyway? Do we have bigger concerns with the economy at the moment?

Also, to explain some of the options:

Theological reasons:
- that God would not allow significant climate change by humans
- that the end times will come before climate change will be a significant issue
- that the climate change movement is driven by an eco-religious agenda and Christians should stay away from it
- any other reason based on a theological understanding (please post!)

Political reasons:
- that climate change is a fear tool by the governments of the world to scare people and keep them in line
- that climate change is a globalizing/anti-independence force
- that climate change is a business ploy to make us pay more
- any other reason based on a social/political understanding (please post!)

General/Creation science: I hope I phrased this properly!
- by "general" science I mean that within the usual meaning of experimental science that the climate change hypothesis is still not convincingly proved.
- by "Creation" science I mean that the whole basis of research and understanding of climate change is not compatible with a Creation science understanding of how the world operates.

If I left anything out please let me know! I'm really interested in what people think and *why* people think what they do regarding climate change (which I hear a lot about lately) so please post if you have the time! I'll be back online tomorrow to chat more...


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535425 is a reply to message #535409 ] Tue, 19 May 2009 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laura in VA  is currently offline Laura in VA
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elizabby wrote on Tue, 19 May 2009 20:54

Theological reasons:
- that God would not allow significant climate change by humans
- that the end times will come before climate change will be a significant issue

Political reasons:
- that climate change is a fear tool by the governments of the world to scare people and keep them in line
- that climate change is a globalizing/anti-independence force
- that climate change is a business ploy to make us pay more





I voted something else because there wasn't a 'combo' option Wink

I believe it is all of the above...more political than theological.


So now the Lord says, "Stop right where you are! Look for the old, godly way; and walk in it. Travel its path and you will find rest for your souls. ~Jer 6:16

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I think it's a mix [message #535464 is a reply to message #535409 ] Tue, 19 May 2009 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bwsmith  is currently offline bwsmith
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mostly of 2 & 1 . . . I surely don't think we have been the stewards we might have been -- but there is so much that needs study, yet.


You can't run away from trouble. There ain't no place that far. ~Uncle Remus

bwsmith
Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535484 is a reply to message #535409 ] Tue, 19 May 2009 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tina  is currently offline Tina
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Elizabby,

First, I'd like to say I admire the way you articulate your thoughts. I think "articulate" is the biggest word I have used since I had my last baby. Laughing

My main thought on climate change is that God is not surprised.

Tina
Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535497 is a reply to message #535409 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 00:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
~Janice  is currently offline ~Janice
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I believe there probably is some change due to human activity. However, I believe that is minuscule compared to the natural phenomenon of change.

I really don't see any connection to theology. ??? The political connection is obvious to me.


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Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535537 is a reply to message #535497 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 08:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa L. in Pa.  is currently offline Lisa L. in Pa.
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I'm pretty much in agreement with Janice: I believe there probably is some change due to human activity, but that it's minuscule compared to the natural phenomenon of change and without a doubt a scare tactic/money machine for the gov't and individuals who are profiting.


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Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535554 is a reply to message #535409 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I do not have a well-formed opinion on climate change, but as you might guess, I always have an opinion. Very Happy

First, I believe God is ultimately in control, and we humans cannot destroy the earth outside of His will. God is the one who maintains the universe (Col 1:17) It is presumptuous, IMHO, to think we can destroy what God does not want destroyed (or conversely to save that which God wishes to destroy).

The end of the earth is written from the beginning...Revelation (and other prophetic passages) tell us what is going to happen in the end, so, IMHO, whatever we're doing now that affects climate change will not affect it to the point of nullifying God's plan.

That having been said, I also believe that the earth has been in cycles of climate change since the Flood. We've had ice ages and forests have turned to deserts...it all cycles around.

I think political fear tactics have a LOT to do with people's perception of what is going on. First CFC's were enlarging the hole in the ozone layer so we had to go to a/c that doesn't work well, and can't be done by lay people...so it's able to be better regulated. And there's no evidence (at least last time I checked) that that really helped anything.

Every government study about the environment seems to require more government control to fix it...but they tend to contradict each other. First it's global warming, but recently I've heard rumors of a new ice age coming...So, I think we're probably cycling around a bit and the gov't (not just U.S.) tries to use these things to their advantage.

Ultimately, though, I just don't worry about it. I believe we must take seriously the admonition to be good stewards of the earth God has given us, but we must also realize that what we do or don't do with the earth will not thwart God's plan. I think much of the environmental hysteria, if you will, is brought on by people who don't know God and believe that we are capable of both destroying things and of fixing them. I believe people who are trying to "eliminate man's footprint" on the eart do not understand God's plan.

Random, disconnected thought, to be sure. But my take is that whether or not there is climate change, God will manage it to His purposes.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535559 is a reply to message #535554 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What Lisa said.

Smile


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Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535561 is a reply to message #535409 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Debbie_G(in MD)  is currently offline Debbie_G(in MD)
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I'm not sure....but at the same time I think we are called to be good stewards of what God has given us. (I don't think that we've always done that!) I agree with much of what Lisa said.....

Last Sunday, our church had a seminar on global warming and my dh was asked to be one of the panel speakers. One of the things he shared was the results of a survey. Here's the link to the survey results: http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=238

Do you find it interesting that "White evangelical Protestants" are the most skeptical about global warming? Why do you think that is? I'm not saying it is bad - or good -- but interesting Smile


-Debbie

Wife to John (28 yrs), mom to Matthew (23) and Josh (20)
Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #535652 is a reply to message #535561 ] Wed, 20 May 2009 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
~Janice  is currently offline ~Janice
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Well don't anyone throw stones at me but my guess is that the unaffiliated group draws most of its information from the public education system and the mainstream media whereas the bottom two groups (evangelical protestant) do not. We tend to be much more conservative and do not jump on the bandwagon promoted by the media - since a lot of times it's slamming us.
Is this simple-minded thinking on my part?? I'm open to being educated.


[Updated on: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:07]


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Re: Climate change: human? exists? [message #536026 is a reply to message #535409 ] Thu, 21 May 2009 16:25 Go to previous message
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My son wrote to a volcanologist a few years ago about the temperature and the activity of volcanos. He was told that eurpting volcano's caused the temperture to go up beacuse of the dust/ash clouds. The man said there is no way to accurately measure that. Years ago they used different measuring devices that are less acurate then the ones we use now and during both world wars no data was taken at all!

He also said that when temperatures were first taken the location was usually at an airport outside of town. Now the towns have grown around the airports. He says the closer buildings are to each other and the more you have around, the warmer the tempertaure readings will be.

He also said Vikings came to America via water. It is now frozen so it must have been thawed at one time.

During the peak of the industrial revolution we were colder that we are now.

So I believe it is just a natural cycle.

Rosemary


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