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A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517534] Fri, 20 March 2009 11:13 Go to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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Biblical underpinnings of the law and separation of church and state[ 13 vote(s) ]
1.I believe that laws should/can have a biblical basis and there should be no separation of church and state 1 / 8%
2.I believe that laws should/can have a biblical basis and there should be separation of church and state 9 / 69%
3.I believe that laws should/can not have a biblical basis and there should be no separation of church and state 0 / 0%
4.I believe that laws should/can not have a biblical basis and there should be separation of church and state 0 / 0%
5.Some combo 1 / 8%
6.Something else 2 / 15%

...which is prompting all kinds of interesting discussions.

One thing that keeps coming up over and over with the kids and their friends is the thought that our country's and state's regulations regarding marriage and morality and what is legal and illegal is based on what the Bible says...but also, we claim (at least in the U.S.) to have separation of church and state.

Where do you stand on this broad idea, and why?

Here's a poll...


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517542 is a reply to message #517534 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Teri in AZ  is currently offline Teri in AZ
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Define separation of church and state. That's where the real issue is for me. We, as believers, canNOT separate our secular lives from our faith, yet that is exactly what the world wants from us. How does that work out in real life? I don't know, especially given society today. I didn't answer the poll because I'm not sure. Smile


Teri in AZ

God is still on the Throne.
Re: A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517570 is a reply to message #517534 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laura in VA  is currently offline Laura in VA
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Well I went with number two Wink

I do not think we can or should combine church and state. That would only be good for us if the church the state decided upon was ours Wink And since the majority of people are NOT evangelical Christians...I certainly don't want their religon forced upon me by law.

I believe laws can and should be based on the Bible...be when we as Christians go to get those laws passed we have got to be able to give the rest of the world more than a 'because the Bible says so'. That may be good enough for us...but if it were the Muslims doing it I certainly wouldn't accept 'becaues the Quran says so'.

I believe that God's law is written on every heart...and long story short because of that most people have a basic sense or morals that we all agree on...ie Lying is wrong, murder is wrong etc. Now they may not know that's why they think it...but it's what I go on Wink I think alot of things can get done when we go about laws based on common morality and not necesarily shove our Bibles at them Wink


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Re: A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517585 is a reply to message #517534 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
~Janice  is currently offline ~Janice
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It would depend so much on how strictly one interprets the "separation" and "biblical basis".

Over all I am supportive of biblical based laws because no matter what humans think they believe or don't believe about God He is loving and they are made in His image. Therefore, I say that those laws are actually a protection to all people, no matter what their religion or lack of.


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Mom to four - ds 28, dd 26, dd 24 and ds 21 - and wife to my sweet husband Richard.
Re: A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517657 is a reply to message #517534 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 19:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Elizabby  is currently offline Elizabby
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I chose "something else" (as I do in most of Sherry's polls!).

We are in a bit of a different situation here in Australia, where the country is "multicultural" and not specifically Christian. So our laws are based on what seems sensible and practical to the majority, which may or not be the same as what the Bible says, but isn't really "based on" or with reference to the Bible.

We also have separation of church and state, (a VERY good idea, IMO) but we do it a bit differently from y'all, from what I've observed. I posted about this in the other thread.


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
Re: A proposal for gay marriage in NH is working its way through the legislative process... [message #517702 is a reply to message #517534 ] Fri, 20 March 2009 22:07 Go to previous message
Leigh  is currently offline Leigh
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We had a referrendum on our ballot four years ago which proposed an amendment to the TN Constitution that specifically said TN would never recognize same s*x marriages.

My position on this was (and still is) that it was absolutely right for Tennesseans to have the opportunity to vote on the issue.

I voted for the amendment. Part of my thinking is based on the Bible. The other part is based on what Tennessee law says now. We don't recognize common law marriages like some states do. The definition is very narrow now, so I don't think it should change for one small class of behaviorally-challenged people. I do think this is a matter for the people of Tennessee to decide. It is not a matter for the federal government to decide.

So what does that make me? Our system of law and government is not based on the Bible. It's based on the Constitution, which gives me the opportunity and responsibility to vote on moral issues. But that doesn't mean I think the church needs to tell the government what to do, and vice versa.

If church worked a little harder on being the church and the government worked a little harder at being the government, the two could coexist with very little conflict.

I voted "something else" because I think our government does not take a religious positon, but because we have the right to vote, we have the power to vote according to religious conscience. This is different than one institution vs another.

[Updated on: Fri, 20 March 2009 22:09]


Leigh
Tennessee

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

~~Benjamin Franklin

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