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Discernment vs mercy? [message #513321] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:08 Go to next message
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Discernment vs mercy?[ 20 vote(s) ]
1.I'm a mercy person and I don't often rebuke other adults for anything 5 / 25%
2.I'm a mercy person, but I often feel God calling me to rebuke other adults for their sins 0 / 0%
3.I'm a discernment person, and I often feel God calling me to rebuke other adults for their sins 0 / 0%
4.I'm a discernment person, but I don't often feel called to rebuke other adults for their sins 4 / 20%
5.I'm both a mercy and discernment person, and I often feel called by God to rebuke others for sin. 0 / 0%
6.I'm both a mercy and discernment person, but I don't often feel called by God to rebuke others for sin. 1 / 5%
7.I'm not gifted in either mercy or discernment, or I'm not sure of my gifting, and I don't often rebuke others for sin. 0 / 0%
8.I'm not gifted in either mercy or discernment, or I don't know if I am, but I am still often called by God to rebuke others for sin 0 / 0%
9.I don't think mercy and discernment gifts have anything to do with whether or not we rebuke others. 4 / 20%
10.I think rebuking should be done by elders or those in authority in the church or over the person in question 2 / 10%
11.Something else... 4 / 20%

Just thinking about the threads recently on sin, detecting sin in our own lives and in other's lives and I've been thinking that I'm a "mercy" person and not gifted with discernment. Does this then mean that I am not the one the God uses for rebuking? Is is a personality/gifting issue? Because honestly, I can't remember *ever* rebuking anyone for anything. I'm more of an "encourager" and "helper". Either that or I've been neglecting God's call all these years!

I have noticed that it seems to be much more often the "discernment" or "black and white" people who do more "rebuking" than those of us who seem to instinctively see 'all the sides' to an issue. I am very often looking at shades of grey, which makes me hesitate to rebuke anyone. I'm not sure if this is a personality/gifting thing which I should just go with - do my encouraging and leave the rebuking to others? Or is it laziness on my part and I *should* be trying to build my discernment gifts?

Another thought - is it to do with our "spiritual age" or position? Are the "older and wiser in faith" more often called to do this? Are the authorities or mentors of the person the ones to do it? I'm still quite young in faith (or I feel it!) and not in any position of leadership or authority, so maybe that's part of it too. Anyway, here's a poll, but I'd like your thoughts as well if you have time to enlarge...

(I've specified other adults in the poll because clearly the discipline and training of children, especially our own, is a bit different.)

ETA: I've been asked to define my terms a bit, so I'll try to do so here:
- "mercy" people are the ones who are always erring on the side of grace, wanting to give encouragement and more chances to those who are erring or in sin.
- "discernment" people are the ones who are gifted with seeing sin/error often before it is evident to others.
- by "rebuke" I don't really mean a harsh or self-righteous correction. I just mean volunteering or spontaneously giving correction without being specifically asked by the person for input, and without being someone specifically in authority or in a mentoring/discipling relationship with the person.

[Updated on: Sun, 08 March 2009 23:03]


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Elizabby

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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513325 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I often wonder what people mean when they say they are gifted with discernment?

I have a feeling a lot of people define that word differently.



Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513330 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Discernment? Well, in my case it means my husband often hears, "Don't be surprised when you find out _________."


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THrowing this out there...plop..... [message #513332 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am a mercy person. I am more of an encourager. If I am anything at all, it is an encourager.

Elizabby, can't you have discernment and be inspired to encourage instead of rebuke...to urge another person on to good things (and in the process they will move away from the other?)

I think of a couple of possibilities:

Older Christians might be more inclined to mercy because they have seen more and understand how people can fail, and perhaps because they have seen grace work in their own lives, and trust God to work those things out in others - that does not indicate a lack of discernment....or they could be inclined toward discernment/correction because they are less inclined to 'put up with' sin within their Christian community.

Younger Christians might be more inclined to discernment/correction because they see things very black and white, or they might be more inclined toward mercy because they are younger and reluctant to tell anyone what to do.

I am "assuming" gifted with discernment means being able to see things for what they are, plainly - and along with that making it known to others, as in rebuking (?).... as it is being applied in the other threads on this board.

Defining the terms is getting confusing to me. I had thought more along Leigh's lines.

[Updated on: Sun, 08 March 2009 20:57]


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Re: THrowing this out there...plop..... [message #513333 is a reply to message #513332 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As an aside: someone can look discerning, when all they are really doing is paying attention and reading body language.


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513336 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm discerning, and rarely directly rebuke anyone. I'm always open to praying and seeking God's leading, but usually merely discuss things as they come up and share scripture as it seems to apply to the conversation.

I have been pondering this recently, though, after a discussion in SS on church discipline. I just heard a lot of new things I'd not considered before. But I don't have a lot to say on the subject just yet.


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513343 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mercy definitely isn't my strong suit Sad I see many things in black and white. I might share what I think God's word says about a situation, or I might not. But even if I don't, I know I have to watch my heart. I think love (a good friend of mercy) should be the motivation for rebuking. God keeps reminding me of 1 Cor 13:2 'And if I have all prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513344 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do not have discernment and would probably be considered someone who "rebuked" often...but not in the sense that most people would mean. If I am talking to someone and they say or do something that doesn't "jive" with the Spirit, I will say something then and there. But I don't START with a "Oh My!! You have just sinned...you need to get that straight, sister!" I start with a, "Um, you just said XYZ. It could be taken to mean ABC. Is that what you meant?" From that point on, we can go to scripture (if they actually DID mean the sinful take on it) and discuss what God says about it. If they pull away and don't want to discuss it, I almost always drop it (unless I am discipling them and already have carte blanche approval to 'butt in'). If I strongly feel the Spirit leading me to continue, I will do so, but only prayerfully and willing to stop whenever I feel I must.

These kinds of honest situations have never (that I can ever think of) caused someone else to get really offended. I end up having some wonderfully open and heartfelt conversations.

Now, if you are talking about the CONFRONTATION thing, where you go to someone to REBUKE them of sin; I have done that rarely and only under extreme situations where I feel God is specifically calling me to.


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513348 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted #4. I am definitely lacking in the mercy/compassion area and I know it. If I do get moved by a situation, I am all over it to the point of helping too much!

As a missionary/pastor's wife, I guess I see a lot that people could improve their situation if they were applying more biblical principles to their life. BUT, I don't rebuke unless I am close enough to the person to really "know" all sides of the situation. Then, if the opportunity comes up, I will speak to it. It probably has a lot to do with working with new converts or young Christians.

Howver, if you come for counseling, well....you asked so I'm going to tell you! Wink


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513360 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I put "something else". First, I think you need to define your terms. Discernment, to me, doesn't mean hunting down someone's sins in order to rebuke them, as though there is delight in doing so. It is a check in your spirit that something is not right.

"Rebuke" also is a harsh word, when "loving correction" can be implemented more often that not. Using these two terms, I have a friend who claims to be a christian got immersed in the New Age, flags were going up as she was telling me that she was part of God, all ways lead to Heaven, etc.. It was obvious that she had fallen into error. I don't feel in any way that I rebuked her, but showed her the Biblical errors in what she was embracing. Was I wrong to do so? I didn't do it because I wanted to be right, but because I don't want her to spend eternity in Hell.



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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513381 is a reply to message #513360 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim L. from MO wrote on Mon, 09 March 2009 13:35

I put "something else". First, I think you need to define your terms. Discernment, to me, doesn't mean hunting down someone's sins in order to rebuke them, as though there is delight in doing so. It is a check in your spirit that something is not right.

"Rebuke" also is a harsh word, when "loving correction" can be implemented more often that not.



Ok, let me try to clarify what I mean.

- "mercy" people are the ones who are often erring on the side of grace, wanting to give encouragement and more chances to those who are erring or in sin. These are often the people who say "But maybe they are doing this because of..." These are the people who see 'around all the sides' of a conflict and often feel that "everyone is right" Wink if their position is correctly understood. Often people who avoid conflict and would do *anything* rather than be in the same room with a "confrontation". (I'm one of these!)

- "discernment" people are the ones who are gifted with seeing sin/error often before it is evident to others. I've been told this is an uncomfortable and unappreciated gift, which was certainly my experience on the one and only time I ever felt called on to speak against something happening in our church. These are the people who speak out when the church is going down a wrong path, and will sometimes question the "authorities" or leaders in the church. Highly principled and thoughtful people, usually, who read the Bible and take it seriously.

- by "rebuke" I don't really mean a harsh or self-righteous correction. I just mean volunteering or spontaneously giving correction without being specifically asked by the person for input, and without being someone specifically in authority or in a mentoring/discipling relationship with the person. Rebukes can be Biblical (should often be!) and should always also be loving and for the best interests of the person *being* rebuked. Really, more like "correction", which might have been a better word...

Hope this helps, and I have put a short version up with the initial post as well.


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Elizabby

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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513383 is a reply to message #513321 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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elizabby wrote on Sun, 08 March 2009 19:08

Just thinking about the threads recently on sin, detecting sin in our own lives and in other's lives and I've been thinking that I'm a "mercy" person and not gifted with discernment. Does this then mean that I am not the one the God uses for rebuking? Is is a personality/gifting issue? Because honestly, I can't remember *ever* rebuking anyone for anything. I'm more of an "encourager" and "helper". Either that or I've been neglecting God's call all these years!

I have noticed that it seems to be much more often the "discernment" or "black and white" people who do more "rebuking" than those of us who seem to instinctively see 'all the sides' to an issue. I am very often looking at shades of grey, which makes me hesitate to rebuke anyone. I'm not sure if this is a personality/gifting thing which I should just go with - do my encouraging and leave the rebuking to others? Or is it laziness on my part and I *should* be trying to build my discernment gifts?

Another thought - is it to do with our "spiritual age" or position? Are the "older and wiser in faith" more often called to do this? Are the authorities or mentors of the person the ones to do it? I'm still quite young in faith (or I feel it!) and not in any position of leadership or authority, so maybe that's part of it too. Anyway, here's a poll, but I'd like your thoughts as well if you have time to enlarge...

(I've specified other adults in the poll because clearly the discipline and training of children, especially our own, is a bit different.)




How does Scripture use the word rebuke – and in what context?

Paul charged a young pastor –
Quote:

“I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke , exhort, with great patience and instruction.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.(2 Tim 4:1-4 NASB)


He also told the church:
Quote:

1 Thess 5:14 – And we urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with all men.
2 Thess 3:14-15 – And if anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that man and do not associate with him, so that he may be put to shame. And yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.


And this from Proverbs -- summed up why sometimes we might resist a rebuke -- reproof- or an admonishment:
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Prov 17:10 – A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding Than a hundred blows into a fool.

Prov 27:5-6 – Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But deceitful are the kisses of an enemy.


Too often we don't believe the person who rebukes us, loves us.
How we rebuke is crucial!
Quote:

1 Tim 5:1-2, 20 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity. . . Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning.


Imho – Galatians 6:1, Matthew 5:23-24, 18:15-17 are my responsibility – if I can get the log our of my own eye – and I need to pray for the leadership of the church to do what God requires of them.

Joining with a local body means submitting to their authority – a caveat most of us do not like, esp. when we are rebuked for conduct unbecoming a Christian. But church discipline should be the most loving thing we can do for and with one another –
“Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?” (2 Cor 11:29 NIV) Too often I avert my eyes from a sister's struggles, as I do when coming upon a squashed animal on the road.

Does the person I know and love need help -- is there something I can say or do that will restore her? Does she need the church?

Heb 12:11-14 says: “ All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble, and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed. Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.”

Or in plainer English – if I am gonna be a member of Christ’s body, am I willing to be a part of the discipline -- doing my part, and trusting that the Holy Spirit will do His:
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“At the time, discipline isn't much fun. It always feels like it's going against the grain. Later, of course, it pays off handsomely, for it's the well-trained who find themselves mature in their relationship with God.

So don't sit around on your hands! No more dragging your feet!

Clear the path for long-distance runners so no one will trip and fall, so no one will step in a hole and sprain an ankle. Help each other out. And run for it!

Work at getting along with each other and with God. Otherwise you'll never get so much as a glimpse of God. Make sure no one gets left out of God's generosity. Keep a sharp eye out for weeds of bitter discontent. A thistle or two gone to seed can ruin a whole garden in no time. (Heb 12:11-15 from THE MESSAGE)





You can't run away from trouble. There ain't no place that far. ~Uncle Remus

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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513397 is a reply to message #513383 ] Sun, 08 March 2009 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bwsmith wrote on Mon, 09 March 2009 14:14


How does Scripture use the word rebuke – and in what context?

Paul charged a young pastor –
Quote:

“I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke , exhort, with great patience and instruction.



He also told the church:

Quote:

1 Thess 5:14 – And we urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with all men.


Too often we don't believe the person who rebukes us, loves us.
How we rebuke is crucial! Joining with a local body means submitting to their authority – a caveat most of us do not like, esp. when we are rebuked for conduct unbecoming a Christian. But church discipline should be the most loving thing we can do for and with one another



Thanks for this Barbara! This is kind of what I was getting at - in thinking that I have never, ever "rebuked" anyone, does this mean that I am neglecting an important duty? I admit that this kind of thing doesn't come easily to me, and doesn't sit well with my natural inclinations, but that's neither here nor there if it is something God calls me to do.


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513400 is a reply to message #513321 ] Mon, 09 March 2009 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Elizabby,

I have the gift of mercy and I do rebuke people quite a bit.

It might be an age thing. I am around a lot of teens and young adults and they often come to me complaining about somebody, gossiping or expressing a bad attitude.

Remember I am 48 and kind of a mom figure with eight little girls in Casa Nana right next door to me, several foster children on top of that and a large church full of people.

I gently guide (rebuke) them to a Biblical attitude by telling the truth even when their flesh does not want to follow the truth.

I think a lot of rebuking is or should be done in such a loving way that the person almost snickers when they hear the truth because they can recognize haw wrong they are from a Biblical perspective.

You may rebuke people and not even know you are doing it!

Most of the time I am either feeding them or finding them housing or even buying them clothes etc... and that gives me an open door to speak into their lives and love on them at the same time.

I err on the side of mercy often and sometimes I need a rebuke myself from God or my DH!
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elizabby wrote on Sun, 08 March 2009 22:53

. . .

Thanks for this Barbara! This is kind of what I was getting at - in thinking that I have never, ever "rebuked" anyone, does this mean that I am neglecting an important duty? I admit that this kind of thing doesn't come easily to me, and doesn't sit well with my natural inclinations, but that's neither here nor there if it is something God calls me to do.



You will have plenty occasions as a mom. Wink And all that Scriptures says applies to how we admonish those in our care. If you (and I) are willing to be used to support His Body --and if we love the church, and want us to be the best we can be, He will give us opportunities -- and train us in the process to be more loving, kind and useful. Helping folks get out splinters sometimes is hard.

[Updated on: Mon, 09 March 2009 00:35]


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As I mentioned in the other thread I believe the gift of discernment as more a response rather than an aggressive finger-pointing (kind or not). And in my life this is adult to adult. If I worked with children (other people's) I would certainly be more proactive.

I chose "something else" and would probably word it as follows:

I'm both a mercy and discernment person, and I often feel called by God to rebuke others for sin but I wait for God to bring that person to me and, through talking, I usually always have the opportunity to point out what they need to hear.

This doesn't happen quickly (usually) because it's stuff God reveals to me over time with that person. I had a situation with one of my sister's that took about two years of much talk (over a problem she was having) before I sensed her heart was open enough for me to say the truth. She immediately (in a burst of tears) had her eyes opened and made an about face. Had I jumped in with my knowledge any earlier it would not have been received.

God has to prepare hearts.


[Updated on: Mon, 09 March 2009 01:30]


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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513413 is a reply to message #513321 ] Mon, 09 March 2009 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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elizabby wrote on Sun, 08 March 2009 20:08

than those of us who seem to instinctively see 'all the sides' to an issue. I am very often looking at shades of grey,


Me, too, Elizabby.

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Re: Discernment vs mercy? [message #513438 is a reply to message #513413 ] Mon, 09 March 2009 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You know, in reading this whole thread I wanted to share some things.

My spiritual gift is word of wisdom. I can get right to the heart of a problem and see the scriptures that will target the core heart issue. This is very helpful in discipling (IF people are honest with me). It also makes me brutally honest.

I can see both sides of an issue, often very clearly, but I am not looking at the "sides", I'm looking at the heart.

Also, I've been walking with the Lord for more than 32 years, all in my adult life. This also makes a difference! Being 51 makes a difference as well!! I really believe I DO have a great love for others, and as Barbara said, that love is my BIGGEST motivator for speaking out when others are acting out in sin. I know the struggles I've had for many years, sometimes things that other people saw and, for whatever reasons, chose to keep silent about. Kevin, praise God, has been my most 'faithful friend' ("faithful are the wounds of a friend but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy") in bringing sin to my attention.

Whenever you speak out in the midst of a conversation when someone says something 'off' and bring Truth to the middle of it, that is a rebuke (gentle though it may be). When you see someone do something they shouldn't be doing and come right on over and address it in love, that is a rebuke.

Yes, the more I've thought of it overnight, the more I believe that gentle reproof IS a responsibility of all of us in the church, no matter what your gift is - even if it is mercy! If we TRULY love the saints, then that love should cause us to speak up when necessary. Pro 27:17 "Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another."

Now, I'm NOT saying that we are supposed to be the Sin Police in other's lives. But when we see someone or hear someone say something that is bringing harm to themselves, others or their walk with God, we should seriously pray about it and, if the Lord leads, speak up. For me, it is just a matter of course to say something if I am right in a conversation already when the issue happens - it is natural and completely unoffensive!


In His Joy and Grace,

Kate

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Yes, the more I've thought of it overnight, the more I believe that gentle reproof IS a responsibility of all of us in the church, no matter what your gift is - even if it is mercy! If we TRULY love the saints, then that love should cause us to speak up when necessary. Pro 27:17 "Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another."

Now, I'm NOT saying that we are supposed to be the Sin Police in other's lives. But when we see someone or hear someone say something that is bringing harm to themselves, others or their walk with God, we should seriously pray about it and, if the Lord leads, speak up. For me, it is just a matter of course to say something if I am right in a conversation already when the issue happens - it is natural and completely unoffensive!


Excellent post, Kate.

I've been wanting to share a concept that was brought up to me recently, but didn't want to get into a lot of the details of when and where and what sort of sin, etc.

But the teacher was addressing the idea that we shouldn't address sin in another person's life unless we know them well, and have a relationship with them, etc. He, however, contended that when we fall into sin, we should compare it more to someone falling of a heart attack in the grocery store. If we know CPR, we're not going to just walk on by and hope that someone who knows them better will come help. We might call an ambulance, but we aren't likely to just stand and watch while waiting for the ambulance.

This teacher said that is what we do when we, knowing the truth of the Word, neglect to speak to those people God has put in our path.

Now that Kate has posted about speaking in love and not being the Sin Police, and so forth, I felt a little better about posting that as food for thought (hopefully without having to debate all the ins and outs of the exceptions. Smile

In other words...I'm not adamant about sticking to that analogy, but I think it was a good one to consider and think through in light of scripture.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
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As I think more about this, we read gentle rebukes on CHF a lot. They don't have to be a huge tribunal, but a nudge in another direction.


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