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Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512713] Fri, 06 March 2009 08:39 Go to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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Speeding Poll[ 24 vote(s) ]
1.Speeding is a sin because we are to obey the leaders over us 10 / 42%
2.Speeding is not a sin, but we should not speed 4 / 17%
3.We should only speed in the case of disaster or something like that 1 / 4%
4.I live in a place where speeding is the norm, and the sin is driving too slow; it's dangerous 0 / 0%
5.It's not an issue of sin to speed 2 / 8%
6.Some combo 3 / 13%
7.Something else 4 / 17%
8.Speeding is a sin for me, but maybe not for anyone else 0 / 0%

>If we speed - we are sinning. Christians shouldn't speed. That's actually a big pet peeve of mine. We have been passed on more than one occasion by people going to our church. What a sad testimony, IMO!<

I know we've talked about this before. I thought about it again a few weekends ago when I was trying to follow the yg leaders to another state and literally could not keep up with them.

No *wonder* my kids and their friends don't think they should follow the speed limit exactly and say: well, X Y and Z from church speed...

Here's a poll:

[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 16:34]


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512723 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've always thought of laws as boundaries that protect us. They are there for our benefit. Does anyone remember when the speed limit was 70 everywhere and no one wore seatbelts? So dangerous.

My mother died in an auto accident in 1972; no seat belt. My sister and her two children all died in an auto accident in 1989; no seat belts and most likely speeding.

So, no I really don't question the speed limits or any other law that I know protect me and my family. We don't speed and surprise, surprise, neither do our two sons. They actually frustrate people who ride with them because they refuse to speed. I can't tell you how happy that makes me!

As a side note. I can remember when my boys were learning to drive. I had a Christian friend tell me that she was trying to teach her daughter when it was appropriate to speed. She felt that it was safer to "follow the flow of traffic". Many, many people actually believe that old wives tale. So I wouldn't be too judgemental of those who do speed. Some actually think they are being safer.

KarlaB
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512726 is a reply to message #512723 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KarlaB wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:11

As a side note. I can remember when my boys were learning to drive. I had a Christian friend tell me that she was trying to teach her daughter when it was appropriate to speed. She felt that it was safer to "follow the flow of traffic". Many, many people actually believe that old wives tale. So I wouldn't be too judgemental of those who do speed. Some actually think they are being safer.

KarlaB


Karla, I am so sorry this happened to your family. I do believe in following the laws. However, I can understand how your friend feels. I have felt the same at times. It makes me *uneasy* sometimes when, I'm on the highway and doing the speed limit, and cars are whizzing by me, diving in and out of lanes at a high speed...not saying it's ok to break the law, just that I have experienced this so many times; you *feel* as though some one with a lead foot is going to slam into you at any minute.

I don't know how people drive in the South; my guess is that they are much slower-paced, based on a couple of trips to Florida. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.Point is; around here, speeding is rampant; people are in a hurry to get everywhere, it seems.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 09:25]


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512740 is a reply to message #512726 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you may be right about some of it being regional. When we lived in Miami we thought people drove crazy. Well, since moving to MN we realized that we were wrong. People here drive like maniacs! They will speed up on your bumper and pass on the wrong side of the road. I am constanly seeing drivers here do really dangerous things. I have no idea why this is. Why would people living in one part of the country drive so differently. Makes no sense to me.

I just wanted to add a note about "following the flow of traffic". Here's why that philosophy doesn't work. What if the flow of traffic is ten miles an hour over the speed limit? What if it's 15? Do you see what I mean? At what point is it not "safer" to follow the flow of traffic. You really can't let some arbitrary force dictate whether or not you will go the speed limit.

KarlaB

[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 09:44]

Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512744 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have no problem calling speeding a sin, as we're told to obey the laws of the land, and I have no problem accepting and paying a speeding ticket if I'm speeding. I don't try to justify or rationalize my speeding to make it "right."

But driving around I-285 or through downtown Atlanta, I speed. Regardless of civil law or sin, it is not safe to drive 20-30 mph slower than everyone else on the highway...cars drive up fast behind you, and then dart over to get around you....if they don't kill me, they're going to kill someone else!

Now, when traffic is such that I *can* obey the speed limit, I most certainly do. I never drove over 55 when we lived in TX, because Texans didn't. When it's not crowded on the hwy, I get in the right lane and go the speed limit

I wish GA had what TX instituted some years ago (don't know if it's still in effect). It was a "go with the flow" speed law---if the general flow of traffic was driving a certain speed, no tickets were issued for cars driving along at that speed. Here in GA, I think you could theoretically get a ticket for driving 70 in a 55 zone...but no one ever seems to when everyone is going the same speed.

I totally agree with the folks in this video---either the police need to enforce the speed limit or withdraw it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512759 is a reply to message #512744 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa, I absolutely DESPISE the interstates coming through Atlanta! I think anyone that drives down there deserves hazardous duty pay...


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512776 is a reply to message #512744 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa R. wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:51


Regardless of civil law or sin, it is not safe to drive 20-30 mph slower than everyone else on the highway...cars drive up fast behind you, and then dart over to get around you....if they don't kill me, they're going to kill someone else!




This is what happens around here, too, Lisa. Even though *I* might be moving along at a comfortable speed that is within the law, I feel like an ant trying to move across a Nascar race! Mad


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512782 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe every city we have lived in has had a different personality.

I agree with Lisa about the flow. I have driven in Atlanta. It was awful, really. Dallas is no fun, and Albuquerque....well, in Albuquerque if you stopped on yellow you would very likely get hit, and there would be a pile up, or at least a very angry driver behind you....because it seemed that at least ten cars would pass through after the light was red. No one expects anyone else to stop. Yellow was not caution, it was hurry up, the light's about to turn red.

Denver is not fun, but as cities go, it is one of the better ones I have driven in. Just congested at times.

My dh hates driving in Los Angeles.


I avoid speeding because it is the law. If I do not feel safe going the speed limit, I will go along with the flow of traffic, especially in cities. I do not want to cause a wreck because of people in the flow having to go around me or slam on their brakes.



[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 12:41]


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512788 is a reply to message #512740 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KarlaB wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 08:41

I think you may be right about some of it being regional. When we lived in Miami we thought people drove crazy. Well, since moving to MN we realized that we were wrong. People here drive like maniacs! They will speed up on your bumper and pass on the wrong side of the road. I am constanly seeing drivers here do really dangerous things. I have no idea why this is. Why would people living in one part of the country drive so differently. Makes no sense to me.

I just wanted to add a note about "following the flow of traffic". Here's why that philosophy doesn't work. What if the flow of traffic is ten miles an hour over the speed limit? What if it's 15? Do you see what I mean? At what point is it not "safer" to follow the flow of traffic. You really can't let some arbitrary force dictate whether or not you will go the speed limit.

KarlaB


While I understand what you are saying, Karla, technically a road that has a speed limit of 15 usually has no "flow" of traffic. It would only be on a road with construction or in a residential area where there are MANY and FREQUENT stops. So this really doesn't fit with the idea of a freeway where there is a constant "flow" of traffic.

When I was growing up in New England, our driver's ed instruction included instruction on following the 'flow' of traffic that told us to not obstruct traffic by going slower, even if it meant speeding to do so...that going slower when the rest of traffic was flowing 10-15 mph faster than us could cause accidents and we would be given tickets for that! In fact, I had a friend who WAS give a ticket for GOING the speed limit while all the traffic on the highway was going 20 mph faster than her!!

I know IL doesn't have that rule and I'm not sure my state of birth does any more, but that's what it was way back shortly after the horse and buggy days! Wink


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Kate

Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512792 is a reply to message #512723 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KarlaB wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 09:11

My mother died in an auto accident in 1972; no seat belt. My sister and her two children all died in an auto accident in 1989; no seat belts and most likely speeding.


Oh, I'm so sorry, Karla. Sad

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She felt that it was safer to "follow the flow of traffic". Many, many people actually believe that old wives tale. So I wouldn't be too judgemental of those who do speed. Some actually think they are being safer.


In some big cities, I believe this happens.

Sue
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512806 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My husband and I got in a huge discussion about this topic. He argued that cops won't even pull you over unless you're going ten over so as long as you stayed under that you were fine. I said it was a matter of going the extra mile and that we weren't suppose to do as the world did. Finally we agreed to pray about it and now he sticks to the speed limit even on the highway when semi's try to eat his car. But for us it's personal conviction.

One day I was bemoaning the fact we were late to somewhere and dh said "well if you hadn't made me realize that speeding was wrong we would be there, ignorantly innocent"
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512836 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our family has had the privilege of being able to travel in the past few years. Every city that has high-way inter-changes has speeders. Indianapolis, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York etc. they are all horrible cities to drive through. Everyone goes 20+ miles over the speed limit. I just get in the center lane and follow something big!

Philadelphia has signs up around the city that say "Beware of aggressive drivers". Really!! They gun the gas and slam on the brakes.

In New York they do not stop for red lights.

Mobile Alabama has a great system and the traffic flowed nicely but we were there in the off season so maybe we missed the excitement.

We were in Colorado Springs when McCain and Palin were there. They directed us right around the airport and we were on our way. No back-ups at all.

I think it has to do with the amount of traffic. The more people there are the faster they go.

Rosemary


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512844 is a reply to message #512788 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I *think* Karla meant: what if the flow is 15 mph *over* the speed limit?

Is it ok to go with the flow if it's 10 mph over...what about 15 mph over...what if it's 50 mph over?


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512847 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've really never felt the need to go with the flow. Seems like there are enough lanes to pick the furthest to the right and go the speed limit. I *rarely* drive downtown Atlanta, but have been able to do that when I have driven there. Would I do that in one of the left hand lanes (there are like 6 lanes each direction!), no, but in the right-most lanes, I don't see a problem. If there's tons of traffic, nobody's going fast anyway.

FWIW, my goal is to keep within a few mph above or below the posted limit. It's impossible to go exactly the speed limit with a digital speedometer. If it slips 1 mph over, is that a sin?

I tend to lean toward what my intentions are. Am I trying to drive within the speed limit or trying to go as fast as possible without getting caught?


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512854 is a reply to message #512788 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I was mainly referring to highway driving. Driving with the "flow of traffic" philosophy is a slippery slope mentality, don't you agree? I mean, if you let the speed of others dictate how fast you'll go, then there really is no speed you wouldn't go in order to keep up with the flow of traffic. I can't imagine trying to teach that to a teen driver.

I know all about driving in crazy traffic. When we lived in South Florida we lived in a suburb that was just houses; no shopping. So we had to get on the superhighway; those crazy-eight, loop-t-loop interstates to go absolutely anywhere. I never broke the speed limit and I knew that I was far safer than those who couldn't go fast enough to get to wherever they were going.

I just know that anyone can justify speeding and "flow of traffic" is probably at the top of the list for those who routinely speed everywhere they go. I think it's just that; an excuse.

KarlaB
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512858 is a reply to message #512713 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My problem isn't whether or not OMG or speeding is a sin. My issue is that it's not as big of a deal as grace is. I don't understand why Christians make such a big deal out of sin. Love God and do as you please. If the first part is right, sin isn't an issue. It's not that I think we're free to speed or say OMG, but I think as Christians we put far too much emphasis on the specifics of the "don'ts" and not much emphasis on the solution. Which is not our self-effort not to do these things, but grace. I get tired of hearing about all the things Christians shouldn't do. I'd much rather hear about someone's love for Christ then their ability to control themselves and not sin. But you rarely see a passion for Christ from the "do not" crowd. And I do not find their faith particularly attractive (not speaking of anyone's post or any particular person, just general observation) If the passion is in place, there's not a lot of need to lecture about sin.

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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512860 is a reply to message #512858 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Charity wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 14:46

My problem isn't whether or not OMG or speeding is a sin. My issue is that it's not as big of a deal as grace is. I don't understand why Christians make such a big deal out of sin. Love God and do as you please. If the first part is right, sin isn't an issue. It's not that I think we're free to speed or say OMG, but I think as Christians we put far too much emphasis on the specifics of the "don'ts" and not much emphasis on the solution. Which is not our self-effort not to do these things, but grace. I get tired of hearing about all the things Christians shouldn't do. I'd much rather hear about someone's love for Christ then their ability to control themselves and not sin. But you rarely see a passion for Christ from the "do not" crowd. And I do not find their faith particularly attractive (not speaking of anyone's post or any particular person, just general observation) If the passion is in place, there's not a lot of need to lecture about sin.

Charity


Oh, quit making so much sense, Charity. Very Happy

Not about speeding, but I am still trying to figure out if it is a sin if I fly through the left hand turn red light in Albuquerque as the third or eighth person, or if it is better to stop when it is yellow and trigger a twenty car pile up and a sterling case of whiplash..... all the while knowing that I am a righteous type of chick. Laughing
Laughing Laughing

I agree with you completely, and go ahead and whack me if I am too sarcastic. I am joking, and not pointed at anyone.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 16:54]


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512864 is a reply to message #512858 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I doubt that many of us have lectured others about not speeding or saying OMG; at least I haven't seen it. I don't speed and I do think that saying OMG is taking the Lord's name in vain, BUT, I don't feel the need to lecture others who do.

I agree with you completely that the realization of the gift that God has given us releases us from the struggle and from living a life of "don'ts". It becomes a life of praise and thanksgiving and appreciation for a debt that can never be repaid.

We taught our sons not to speed by modeling the right behavior, not by lecturing them. The same with our language. How we live our lives speaks so much more loudly than any lecture.

KarlaB
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512866 is a reply to message #512844 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sherry in NH wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 15:01

I *think* Karla meant: what if the flow is 15 mph *over* the speed limit?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Oops...thanks for correcting that, Sherry!!! My bad! Embarassed Embarassed


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512875 is a reply to message #512776 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Atlanta highways was exactly what I thought of when reading this thread. I voted "some combo." I do believe that we are to obey the laws of the land, of course only when appropriate to God's Word. However, I do believe that there are times when it is necessary. My own city drives terrible (not the typical slow southern city, as we are populated by mostly northern transplants). When I'm on the highway or regular roads, I don't speed as a rule (I won't go so far as to say I'm innocent, though). The only time I think it is appropriate is to merge onto major highways as to *not* do so would probably (not possibly) result in a traffic accident if not fatality. Once you are in on the road, the others can readjust their speeding/driving to get around you if they really need to.


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512949 is a reply to message #512875 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, as a side issue....when I couldn't keep up with the yg leaders headed toward an event in another state...we were on an interstate...it was not at all crowded...our convoy was going faster than literally anyone else on the highway...and I was going the whole time between 80 and 89 on a highway where the upper limit is 65 and I literally *could not keep up with them*.

I (to my own shame) had not mapquested the place, and didn't even have directions, never mind a map. I had only a vague idea of where we were going and didn't know the complete name of the church. I was really afraid that if I slowed down that I would lose them. We did have a cell phone, but I would have had to call home to get cell phone numbers for the yg leaders to get directions.

Maybe I should have done that. I ended up speeding along with them, to not lose them. And then we made a point of leaving earlier than they all did (dd was sickish anyway) [and did the speed limit all the way home....]

One of the guy van drivers during the day while we were there asked me how it went driving up...I probably wouldn't have said anything if he hadn't asked but I told him incredulously -- I literally couldn't keep up and I was going like 89 mph.

He laughed and said: Yeah, it was pretty fast...we drive fast usually, but we also thought we were late. It was so-n-so's decision (who is a main yg leader and was the main driver in the pack).

I didn't say anything further...but it explains why we have this constant discussion with and among all the yg teens...they see their yg leaders speeding without tickets and consequences...and they don't see why they shouldn't, as well [it's an excuse sometimes...but it really is a pretty constant discussion].

Is there a place to say anything, as the parent of yg kids? And how can one say it without sounding like a "fruit inspector" or legalistic or focused on sin or whatever?? Or would you just leave it alone?

Is this a different issue? Maybe it's not sin, but it's probably not the greatest example?

Sherry, who will make mapquest her friend the next time Smile


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Sherry from NH
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512955 is a reply to message #512949 ] Fri, 06 March 2009 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sherry,
I would have said something to them in the same manner you did. If their response was such as the one they gave you, I would have gone into strict mommy mode and lectured them. I also would have informed their superiors back home at church. They were taking the lives of the youth with very little care in the manner they were driving - not to mention, I would imagine, opening up the church to legal issues had an accident happened resulting from their speeding. You are correct: they are to be an example in more ways than perhaps they imagined.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 March 2009 22:55]


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Yeah, Sherry, I think that's a different issue, and I would most definitely have a talk with the YG pastor/leader, and carry that on up the chain of command till a better policy is instituted. And for the record, I wouldn't let my kids ride with those guys, EVER.


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #512981 is a reply to message #512713 ] Sat, 07 March 2009 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In some states its possible to get run over (esp near the capital of usa) when following the speed limit. So in those states it could be following the speed limit that drives you to break the law of impeding the flow of traffic. Confused

I'm so glad its not like that in my state, but I do need cruise control, my speed likes to fluctuate between 5 under and the speed limit.
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #513018 is a reply to message #512981 ] Sat, 07 March 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>the law of impeding the flow of traffic<

Is that a law? <really asking>


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Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #513036 is a reply to message #512854 ] Sat, 07 March 2009 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In our area "flow of traffic" is important. Our roads are often narrow with only one or two lanes in each direction. Besides that, they are hilly and curvy. If you're going 60mph coming up a hill or around a curve and come up on someone going 50mph, it is scary and dangerous. You may not have anywhere to go and need to slow down quickly... and hope the person behind you gets the picture. This generally happens because of semi's. They often have to gear down to go down our steeper hills. They're trying to fix the roads so we always have options, but not all roads are fixed.

On the other hand, I won't let ANYone push me to go faster than I feel totally safe driving. Sometimes, if I don't know the road well or if the weather's iffy (like today, grmbl grmbl) I'll go slower than many people, but I just try to think I could be keeping them from an accident, and I do give them space when I get a chance, so they can go around.

I think the point of driving is to be very aware of your surroundings. I was once sandwiched between a big truck (not a semi) and another car going up a hill. The big truck in front of us kind of weaved back and forth making it unsafe for us to try to pass him going up this hill. I was ok cuz I wasn't in a hurry but the guy behind me was impatiently trying to get around us. Then we saw the car in front of the TRUCK making a left turn that would've effectively caused an accident if we'd've tried to pass. The truck driver was being VERY aware of things ahead and behind him and it impressed me very much.

If "sin" is "missing the mark of perfection" then, yes, I think speeding is sinning. So is driving a car that emits fumes. Wink
Re: Bunny Trail: Speeding, revisited? [message #513133 is a reply to message #512949 ] Sat, 07 March 2009 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sherry in NH wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 22:09

He laughed and said: Yeah, it was pretty fast...we drive fast usually, but we also thought we were late. It was so-n-so's decision (who is a main yg leader and was the main driver in the pack).


I would not want my kids involved in a yg like this where the leaders did this. I would be worried that other areas would be fudged on, too.

Sue
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Registered: April 2005
Location: Tennessee
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I agree with Charity on the personal behavior part, but I voted "Something Else."

I think in most cases speed limits encourage people to break the law. I think they are an artificial means to control mass behavior, and nowdays they are being used to control personal liberty for artifical reasons.

In today's world, speed limits are artifically low because of "global climate change" and "to save gas because we're running out of oil." These are lies, plain and simple. I'm not going into the science of all of it, but the fact is, these are lies used to manipulate people into believing man is the center of the universe, that we are here by an accident of evolution, and that we are not the highest order of God Almighty's creation.

I'm not saying we should go out and drive willy nilly any way and any speed we want, but I think we should definitely be very active in resisting further government control. It is sinful to force people to live a lie, or to do something for the wrong reasons.


Leigh
Tennessee

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

~~Benjamin Franklin

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