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"OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511709] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:12 Go to next message
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God's Name in Vain[ 34 vote(s) ]
1.no 3 / 9%
2.yes 31 / 91%

I am seeing/hearing this 3 letter combination more and more from christian friends. Is it's use taking God's name in vain?


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511711 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Never heard of it. I've heard OMG but not with an F.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511713 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IMHO, I would say this IS in vain, since the abbreviation means the same thing as the phrase that is spelled out.

Does the *g* represent anything else in that phrase in texting-land? (Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with so much of this.)

If not, then I would say it is the same, and would personally NOT employ it, nor would I want my children to do it.

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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511716 is a reply to message #511711 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chris, GA wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 11:20

Never heard of it. I've heard OMG but not with an F.


That is what I am referring to, Chris. I didn't want to type it out myself.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511719 is a reply to message #511716 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kim L. from MO wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 12:25

Chris, GA wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 11:20

Never heard of it. I've heard OMG but not with an F.


That is what I am referring to, Chris. I didn't want to type it out myself.



Oh silly me, I read it wrong.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511721 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lots of folks say "gosh" and don't have a problem with it. If you think it's ok to say oh my gosh, then OMG can stand for that. If you think that is wrong then you would be consistent to not say the letters that could stand for it.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511725 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We don't allow our children to use that phrase. Even though some of my girls told me they mean "gosh," I said "no," because most people will assume they mean the Lord's name, whether they do or not.

Besides, just as a personal preference...I'm working on building my kids' vocabulary. All this text messaging and internet slang, as well as verbal slang, while not wrong or sinful, is well, intellectually lacking. Smile

We're being inspired by old films like Pride & Prejudice and such, where exclamations and verbal reparte is handled with actual, meaningful words. Smile


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511726 is a reply to message #511725 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa R. wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 12:43

We don't allow our children to use that phrase. Even though some of my girls told me they mean "gosh," I said "no," because most people will assume they mean the Lord's name, whether they do or not.


I agree. I allow "gosh" on a limited basis, so I allow OMGosh, but not OMG.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511731 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have seen OMGsh used by my friend, and that doesn't bother me. I do not let my dd use several abbreviations though. I saw one homeschooled girl using OM* and WT* (the letter before g), I don't think she (or her mother) even knew what they stood for or she would not have been using them.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511737 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it could be 'goodness', but mostly it's not if you hear anything in pop culture.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511746 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted yes, but I think lots of young kids see it and use it and don't even know what it means. I explained it to my older dc who had seen it and told them it was not acceptable for them to use because we don't say that, so we won't type it.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511763 is a reply to message #511709 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This may be a bunny trail, but if you type it and mean gosh and someone else reads it and thinks you meant God, isn't that causing them to stumble? I prefer my children not even to say oh my gosh or oh my goodness as many will assume you mena God but are too polite to say so.

Another phrase that I hear a lot is "What the..." I don't allow my children to say that either, as my mind finishes it in a bad way. Sad


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511778 is a reply to message #511763 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It sounds too close for comfort. What's very odd is I recently met an "on fire" "spirit-filled" (her description of her worship group - and therefore herself) Christian woman (through homeschool friends) who constantly says the full version!! Shocked Shocked I don't get WHY she would think that's okay. I know some people think of it as "gawd" Shocked (but why??) - I just am surprised to hear a grown Christian mom saying that. I really like her and believe she is a serious Christian - I don't know her well enough to question her about this and I don't see her often so I may not ever.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511793 is a reply to message #511778 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Janice T. wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 15:26

It sounds too close for comfort. What's very odd is I recently met an "on fire" "spirit-filled" (her description of her worship group - and therefore herself) Christian woman (through homeschool friends) who constantly says the full version!! Shocked Shocked I don't get WHY she would think that's okay. I know some people think of it as "gawd" Shocked (but why??) - I just am surprised to hear a grown Christian mom saying that. I really like her and believe she is a serious Christian - I don't know her well enough to question her about this and I don't see her often so I may not ever.





I really don't get that either (and it's "gawd" just "God" with a southern accent??) I really think that it's just so commonplace in our society in general speech that people don't even think of it.

I know my nieces say it all the time, and one time one of my younger, less tactful kids said, "Why are you taking the Lord's name in vain?" Niece just looked at her in amazement--it obviously never even occurred to her to think that--and dd's comment had no other effect.


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511857 is a reply to message #511793 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sad. I just don't like seeing this insensitivity in Christians - I'm not trying to be judgmental here... it just seems like an irreverent compromise. Sad


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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511910 is a reply to message #511716 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I didn't "get it" either. Yes, I think it is taking the Lord's name in vain.

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Re: "OM, and the letter after F" - Is this in vain, or not? [message #511934 is a reply to message #511778 ] Tue, 03 March 2009 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Janice T. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 07:26

It sounds too close for comfort. What's very odd is I recently met an "on fire" "spirit-filled" (her description of her worship group - and therefore herself) Christian woman (through homeschool friends) who constantly says the full version!! Shocked Shocked I don't get WHY she would think that's okay. I know some people think of it as "gawd" Shocked (but why??) - I just am surprised to hear a grown Christian mom saying that. I really like her and believe she is a serious Christian - I don't know her well enough to question her about this and I don't see her often so I may not ever.



Er - I hope you aren't talking about me! Confused Wink

For me, this is just one of the hold-over speech patterns from before I became a Christian. I'm working on it, but it still slips out fairly often, and at the moment I have too many other things to be working on to make this a priority. My language used to be much worse, but this last bit still needs work...

So for those of you who wonder why a Christian might do this, there are several reasons - the main one being that (IMO) God has other priorities for them at this point in time.


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elizabby wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 22:58


So for those of you who wonder why a Christian might do this, there are several reasons - the main one being that (IMO) God has other priorities for them at this point in time.



I think it would also depend upon if said christian believes this to be taking the Lord's name in vain, or not. If it is indeed taking His name in vain, I would think God would place this as a high priority. But, I can't presume to know the mind of God.

Also, how long have they been a christian. For a new christian, I would expect some things to linger around for a little while. Continuing to live by the old nature is a choice, when we are saved, we are set free from the power of sin in our lives. Whether or not we walk in that freedom is our choice. When I held up the flag of surrender, God cleaned my mouth up literally over night. Wish He was as quick on other things.


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I think it would also depend upon if said christian believes this to be taking the Lord's name in vain, or not. If it is indeed taking His name in vain, I would think God would place this as a high priority. But, I can't presume to know the mind of God.


Probably semantics or a technicality, but sin is sin whether we *believe* it is or not. It may well be that God is working on other things in a person's life before working on a particular thing (i.e., there may be more "important" things in life that God desires to work on, as elizabby mentioned in her post.

We may be operating in ignorance, or may not yet be convicted or understand that something is sin...but if God believes it to be sin, it is, whether we are yet at a place to understand and believe that or not.

(The Israelites even had a sacrifice for unknown sins. Lev 4:13 and others)


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Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 09:39


We may be operating in ignorance, or may not yet be convicted or understand that something is sin...but if God believes it to be sin, it is, whether we are yet at a place to understand and believe that or not.



Yes, but I also think we can willfully be in denial, not saying this is the case here at all. I have known christians who continued in premarital s*x, claiming that God isn't working on them in that area just yet. As if God has to supernaturally do something in order for them to stop. I think He did, at the cross. We don't always willingly follow, kwim? It goes back to that daily surrender.


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 10:57

Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 09:39


We may be operating in ignorance, or may not yet be convicted or understand that something is sin...but if God believes it to be sin, it is, whether we are yet at a place to understand and believe that or not.



Yes, but I also think we can willfully be in denial, not saying this is the case here at all. I have known christians who continued in premarital s*x, claiming that God isn't working on them in that area just yet. As if God has to supernaturally do something in order for them to stop. I think He did, at the cross. We don't always willingly follow, kwim? It goes back to that daily surrender.


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I think it would also depend upon if said christian believes this to be taking the Lord's name in vain, or not.


Maybe I misunderstood you. I was taking the subject line and the above quote, and thinking you were saying that whether saying "oh my G--" is taking the Lord's name in vain would depend on whether one believed it was taking the Lord's name in vain.

I agree with this latest comment...we often live in denial and rationalize sin away because we don't *feel* convicted or are denying the Holy Spirit's work of conviction in our hearts (not to mention clear statements of scripture against certain sins). But I didn't realize that was what you were talking about.

My point was that sin is sin regardless of whether we admit it or recognize it or act on it, or not.(which I think is what your last post was saying).

Sorry for the confusion.

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Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 11:25

I agree with this latest comment...we often live in denial and rationalize sin away because we don't *feel* convicted or are denying the Holy Spirit's work of conviction in our hearts (not to mention clear statements of scripture against certain sins). But I didn't realize that was what you were talking about.

My point was that sin is sin regardless of whether we admit it or recognize it or act on it, or not.(which I think is what your last post was saying).

Sorry for the confusion.


No confusion, I think we are on the same page.

I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 11:54

I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.


I think it makes sense that that doesn't make sense to you. Laughing


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MartySC wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 12:07

Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 11:54

I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.


I think it makes sense that that doesn't make sense to you. Laughing


Does that mean it doesn't make sense to anyone? Maybe I should go eat some protein. Laughing


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 12:17

MartySC wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 12:07

Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 11:54

I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.


I think it makes sense that that doesn't make sense to you. Laughing


Does that mean it doesn't make sense to anyone? Maybe I should go eat some protein. Laughing


Unfortunately, i think it doesn';t make sense to some, but I am not sure why. Sad Maybe I should eat some protein, too.


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 12:54



I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.

You made sense to me. I was thinking the same thing.


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elizabby wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 22:58

Janice T. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 07:26

It sounds too close for comfort. What's very odd is I recently met an "on fire" "spirit-filled" (her description of her worship group - and therefore herself) Christian woman (through homeschool friends) who constantly says the full version!! Shocked Shocked I don't get WHY she would think that's okay. I know some people think of it as "gawd" Shocked (but why??) - I just am surprised to hear a grown Christian mom saying that. I really like her and believe she is a serious Christian - I don't know her well enough to question her about this and I don't see her often so I may not ever.



Er - I hope you aren't talking about me! Confused Wink

For me, this is just one of the hold-over speech patterns from before I became a Christian. I'm working on it, but it still slips out fairly often, and at the moment I have too many other things to be working on to make this a priority. My language used to be much worse, but this last bit still needs work...

So for those of you who wonder why a Christian might do this, there are several reasons - the main one being that (IMO) God has other priorities for them at this point in time.



I actually wasn't talking about you Elizabby. Smile As I say I like this woman and do not doubt (one bit!) her Christianity or anything about her. I'm surprised because I don't usually hear this among Christians. I just don't. If I did I may get used to it (cringe!). It just throws me when I hear mature Christian people flinging "gawd" (which sounds an awful lot like GOD) around in this manner. I don't doubt them personally. And remember, I was taught very strictly to NEVER used this word - things learned from childhood.





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This is definitely cursing. Just a slang sort of thing but nonetheless, it's still unacceptable IMHO>


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I would be curious to hear from the two that did not believe it to be in vain to share what they consider "in vain".

Dh simply puts it to our kids, if you say it, and it is not in the form of worship, hands raised, falling on your face, etc.., then it is in vain.

Any other definitions?


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No confusion, I think we are on the same page.

I was just expanding on how we can easily pass on our responsibility as though the Holy Spirit needs to do a work, when we know something in our life needs to be changed. We can't do it without the power of the Holy Spirit in our life, but if we know that something needs changing, we can certainly acknowledge the sin and make steps towards being free.

It would be like saying, "I know I need to stop __________, but God isn't working that out in my life right now". I guess I am confused that one could acknowledge a particular sin in their life, and until God intervenes, the sin has to stay. I hope that made some sense.


Yep! I'm with you.


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:16

I would be curious to hear from the two that did not believe it to be in vain to share what they consider "in vain".

Dh simply puts it to our kids, if you say it, and it is not in the form of worship, hands raised, falling on your face, etc.., then it is in vain.

Any other definitions?


We say if you're not talking to God or about Him, it's in vain. Smile


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Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 15:25

Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:16

I would be curious to hear from the two that did not believe it to be in vain to share what they consider "in vain".

Dh simply puts it to our kids, if you say it, and it is not in the form of worship, hands raised, falling on your face, etc.., then it is in vain.

Any other definitions?


We say if you're not talking to God or about Him, it's in vain. Smile


Oooh, I like this definition.


"....And if your Master’s truth offends the gentlemen to whom you speak of it let them be offended. His name we must confess; of His glory we will continually talk…" Charles Spurgeon
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I am reminded of the song "Every Move I Make", the "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.... song. There is a part that says, "Oh my God, this love, how can it be". Our kids would sing wholeheartedly until that part, and then pause, thinking that it was in vain. We told them that since it was in worship to the Lord, that it was not.


"....And if your Master’s truth offends the gentlemen to whom you speak of it let them be offended. His name we must confess; of His glory we will continually talk…" Charles Spurgeon
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Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:25



We say if you're not talking to God or about Him, it's in vain. Smile



This is my general definition also. FWIW, one could, in a moment of intense agony cry out Oh My God and truly not be taking His name in vain. But generally it is said instead of WOW, and we don't do that. Used to drive me nuts watching Trading Spaces during the big reveal...SO many people would say it.


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Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:16

I would be curious to hear from the two that did not believe it to be in vain to share what they consider "in vain".


I didn't vote, but could vote no. I *could* use the G and mean Gosh or Goodness. I say those in real life. If that's what I'm abbreviating, then I don't believe I'm taking the Lord's name in vain. I *don't* because someone might read it the wrong way, but I believe I could.


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Chris, GA wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:00

Used to drive me nuts watching Trading Spaces during the big reveal...SO many people would say it.



We stopped watching that for this reason alone.


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Chris, GA wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 17:00

Lisa R. wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:25



We say if you're not talking to God or about Him, it's in vain. Smile



This is my general definition also. FWIW, one could, in a moment of intense agony cry out Oh My God and truly not be taking His name in vain. But generally it is said instead of WOW, and we don't do that. Used to drive me nuts watching Trading Spaces during the big reveal...SO many people would say it.



Oh, yes, I absolutely agree with that. We had that discussion not long ago in the van. There was a near-miss accident in traffic ahead of me that scared the daylights out of me. I thought a bmotorcyclist was toast--I screamed that out...and was promptly accused of taking the Lord's name in vain. When I recovered sufficiently, I pointed out that I was crying out to Him, not just saying "wow...look at that."

I've also had one of my children assure me that she was "praying" when saying it---when she was clearly trying to get out of correction! Confused

There's probably a heart issue and a knowledge/ignorance issue involved, and we probably can't always judge accurately. But I think many times we can.


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elizabby wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 22:58


So for those of you who wonder why a Christian might do this, there are several reasons - the main one being that (IMO) God has other priorities for them at this point in time.



I think it would also depend upon if said christian believes this to be taking the Lord's name in vain, or not. If it is indeed taking His name in vain, I would think God would place this as a high priority. But, I can't presume to know the mind of God.

Also, how long have they been a christian. For a new christian, I would expect some things to linger around for a little while. Continuing to live by the old nature is a choice, when we are saved, we are set free from the power of sin in our lives. Whether or not we walk in that freedom is our choice. When I held up the flag of surrender, God cleaned my mouth up literally over night. Wish He was as quick on other things.


Why aren't all Christians thin (keep the temple holy, self-control)? Why don't all Christians go only the speed limit? This applies to long-time Christians as well as short-time.

And if someone doesn't think it is sin, is it? Who is deciding this? "To him who knows it is sin, he sins when he does it." (paraphrase)

I'm with Elizabby on this. Other issues are on the table, maybe deeper heart issues. Jesus addressed the heart attitudes a lot.

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Sue C and Bekah wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 17:30

Kim L. from MO wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 10:23

elizabby wrote on Tue, 03 March 2009 22:58


So for those of you who wonder why a Christian might do this, there are several reasons - the main one being that (IMO) God has other priorities for them at this point in time.



I think it would also depend upon if said christian believes this to be taking the Lord's name in vain, or not. If it is indeed taking His name in vain, I would think God would place this as a high priority. But, I can't presume to know the mind of God.

Also, how long have they been a christian. For a new christian, I would expect some things to linger around for a little while. Continuing to live by the old nature is a choice, when we are saved, we are set free from the power of sin in our lives. Whether or not we walk in that freedom is our choice. When I held up the flag of surrender, God cleaned my mouth up literally over night. Wish He was as quick on other things.


Why aren't all Christians thin (keep the temple holy, self-control)? Why don't all Christians go only the speed limit? This applies to long-time Christians as well as short-time.

And if someone doesn't think it is sin, is it? Who is deciding this? "To him who knows it is sin, he sins when he does it." (paraphrase)

I'm with Elizabby on this. Other issues are on the table, maybe deeper heart issues. Jesus addressed the heart attitudes a lot.

Sue

Christians sin because we're sinners, but that doesn't mean we should. God's Word tells us to obey our governing authorities. If we speed - we are sinning. Christians shouldn't speed. That's actually a big pet peeve of mine. We have been passed on more than one occasion by people going to our church. What a sad testimony, IMO!

I think some sins are easier to just stop than others, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Yes, gluttony is a sin. I wouldn't say that all overweight people are gluttons, but if God is convicting me of, say, my yelling at my dc, does that make it OK for me to sit around stuffing my face while I'm *not* yelling at my kids? Of course not! It's still a sin. Will I never fail? No - but by God's grace good habits will be formed in all areas of my life. I press on toward the mark. And when Christ appears, I *will* be like Him! Praise God!!


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One more thing.... Smile

The verse you're referring to, I believe, is James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

This doesn't mean that it's OK to sin if we don't know it's a sin. As Lisa pointed out - the Israelites even had sacrifices for sins that they didn't know about.


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