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Euthanasia quick poll [message #380927] Thu, 21 February 2008 01:21 Go to next message
Elizabby  is currently offline Elizabby
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Euthanasia poll[ 47 vote(s) ]
1.Choosing suicide is never acceptable and should never be legal 40 / 85%
2.An informed and convicted adult suffering a terminal illness should be allowed to choose suicide 3 / 6%
3.Suicide may be legalized but should never be chosen by Christians 0 / 0%
4.An informed and convicted adult suffering a terminal illness should be allowed to choose suicide, and others should be allowed to help 0 / 0%
5.Suicide should be available from doctors as part of a complete health service 0 / 0%
6.Suicide should be legalized for anyone who wishes it, regardless of whether they have a terminal illness or not 0 / 0%
7.Assistance at a suicide should not be a crime, as well as suicide being legal 0 / 0%
8.Something else... 4 / 9%

The Euthanasia issue has hit the news again here in Australia. In a *legal* sense, what do you think of it? (I'm talking about active, voluntary euthanasia, not withdrawal of treatments or killing unconsenting patients. This is only about whether or not someone in their right mind should be allowed to kill themselves.)

[Updated on: Thu, 21 February 2008 17:26]


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #380932 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 01:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My answer (#1) is based more on my moral beliefs than anything legal. But I think it would be a bad legal move too. First, the person who chooses suicide is presumably dying which would affect his/her ability to think clearly (usually). Dying is depressing and not something easily faced - making a monumental decision during such a time of stress and/or unclear thinking doesn't seem to be something that should be legally allowed and certainly not binding. You have to be "of sound mind" to make most life changing decisions and in this case that would not always be possible.

Making euthanasia legal could also be much too beneficial for some people - giving some a motivation to "off" someone who is terminally ill. Being that the patient is in a very vulnerable state this could, and I believe would for sure, be abused. Legalizing something like euthanasia could very quickly get out of hand. People in nursing homes with no living relative would be at the mercy of others who might only be concerned with the financial end of keeping the patient alive.

[Updated on: Thu, 21 February 2008 01:53]


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #380936 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I completely agree with Janice!


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #380947 is a reply to message #380936 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sherry in NH  is currently offline Sherry in NH
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I keep meaning to read _How Should We Then Live?_ by Francis Schaeffer (sp?) because the film version was so thought-provoking. It included some thinking about euthanasia and other things and a progression, in general, that de-values life:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=How+Should+We+Then+ Live%3F


In Jesus

Sherry from NH
Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #380972 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree with Janice, too.

I don't think it should be an option and I really don't think dr.'s should play a part in it.


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #380991 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can't answer it from a "legal" standpoint that leaves God out of it. God is, whether our legal system recognizes Him or not. He is the giver (and taker) of life, and it's not a decision we should be making. You just never know what God is doing in a person's life, and cutting it short is not our place.

And, as Janice said, there is SO much room for abuse. In fact, the media has reported stories of doctors killing patients when the doctors decide their lives are no longer worth living, or they are taking to many medical resources to stay alive. (Mostly stories from the Netherlands or somewhere like that,where it is legal).

That said, I don't think it is required that we take every medical option for prolonging our lives. (i.e., I think it's perfectly okay to not treat cancer if a patient decides a shorter life without the complications of chemo is preferable, or if someone has a do not resuscitate order, etc....but that's not the same as euthanasia...that's just accepting the natural course of events).

There are probably some fine lines there, but I think making euthanasia legal is an extremely dangerous slope to start down.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
In a *legal* sense.... [message #381012 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sister P  is currently offline Sister P
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if you can put aside our faith.... I'd say it should be legal and not a problem. Good grief! If abortion (killing an innocent) is legal for any reason (because it's YOUR? body!), then why is suicide a problem when it really IS your body?

However, life is a gift from God and it's very sad when someone throws it away. Sad
Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381097 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My problem is that people would get away with murder even more than they do now. But really, if i were suffering horribly and going to die anyway, i would want to just die and be done, not suffer and not have my family suffer.

What is so wonderful about this life that we try so hard to cling to it anyway? If one believes we go straight to heaven, what's the motivation for staying here? And if one believes you'll wake to the resurrection, same thing really, it may be years, decades, centuries, but as far as you know, it's instantaneous.
Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381100 is a reply to message #381097 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While understandable, I think that's a tunnel vision view of life. You don't know what may be accomplished in your last days, whether you get to lead someone to the Lord thru your prolonged illness and good attitude, or whether a new drug might be found or a new procedure that would cure you, or maybe the people that are caring for you needed a lesson in perseverance or patience. I don't think it's for us to decide when we've done enuf. (Of course, I haven't been there!) Very Happy
Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381101 is a reply to message #381097 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had to vote "something else."

I believe that a person has the right to die with dignity. I feel that a person can withdraw treatment even when it will hasten their death. This is basically PASSIVE euthanasia. I do not believe in ACTIVE euthanasia at all. I think it is wrong to either kill someone or to commit suicide. There is a big difference between the two.

For example, if you have someone diagnosed with terminal cancer and that person decides he wants no treatment then that is his choice even though it will certainly hasten his death. However, I do not agree with this same person shooting himself.


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381113 is a reply to message #381101 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michele (Queen of Cheap) wrote on Thu, 21 February 2008 13:48

I had to vote "something else."

I believe that a person has the right to die with dignity. I feel that a person can withdraw treatment even when it will hasten their death. This is basically PASSIVE euthanasia. I do not believe in ACTIVE euthanasia at all. I think it is wrong to either kill someone or to commit suicide. There is a big difference between the two.

For example, if you have someone diagnosed with terminal cancer and that person decides he wants no treatment then that is his choice even though it will certainly hasten his death. However, I do not agree with this same person shooting himself.



I agree with this distinction too. I used to work as a paralegal and we drew up living wills quite often. This allowed a person to have a say on continued life support - or not. I think this is not the same as purposeful killing (like Michele says). With technology the way it is we could probably keep most people "alive" indefinitely.

[Updated on: Thu, 21 February 2008 15:37]


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381149 is a reply to message #381101 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michele (Queen of Cheap) wrote on Fri, 22 February 2008 06:48

I had to vote "something else."

I believe that a person has the right to die with dignity. I feel that a person can withdraw treatment even when it will hasten their death. This is basically PASSIVE euthanasia. I do not believe in ACTIVE euthanasia at all. I think it is wrong to either kill someone or to commit suicide. There is a big difference between the two.

For example, if you have someone diagnosed with terminal cancer and that person decides he wants no treatment then that is his choice even though it will certainly hasten his death. However, I do not agree with this same person shooting himself.


Sorry, my fault. It is the way I wrote the poll. I was trying to talk only about active, voluntary euthanasia. I realize that there are lots of other variations, but this is the one currently under debate in Australia - to legalize active voluntary euthanasia, and to allow (insist?) that doctors participate in the suicide of their patients. Crying or Very Sad As you can imagine, I am following the discussion with great interest!


Your sister in Christ,

Elizabby

Evie is six, Zoe is four, and Benji is two!

Not online as much these days, contact me through email or my blog if you want to talk to me!
Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381157 is a reply to message #381149 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah! Ok then my dear Elizabby, I would have to vote #1.


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Re: Euthanasia quick poll [message #381215 is a reply to message #380927 ] Thu, 21 February 2008 19:37 Go to previous message
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I voted "something else" because I want to be clear about what I think.

People can choose what they want to do with their own lives, but I don't think legality is part of the question. A person cannot have due process of law after he is dead. Insurance companies already have clauses to nullify policies in the event it is proven that a person takes his own life.

This does not mean I think it is right to actively take one's own life. I don't think that at all, but people do have the choice, and the legality of it is what I call into question.

Suicide, by definition, means taking one's own life. The term "assisted suicide" is not suicide at all. It is murder. Murder is clearly illegal (unless one has not reached the point at which he is eligible for a birth certificate).


Leigh
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