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Baptism question [message #188885] Sun, 26 November 2006 10:55 Go to next message
Teri in AZ  is currently offline Teri in AZ
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How were you baptized?[ 39 vote(s) ]
1.Immersion as an adult 22 / 56%
2.Immersion as a child 15 / 38%
3.Sprinkled as a baby 2 / 5%
4.Sprinkled as a child 0 / 0%
5.Sprinkled as an adult 0 / 0%

If you were sprinkled, can you explain to me, Biblically, where this concept comes from? I've always believed that baptizo, the root word for baptism means immersed, not sprinkled.

My closest friend goes to a church that sprinkles. Other than that doctrinal difference, we love her church! Unfortunately it's in Maryland, we live in Az, so it's not like we can join it if we wanted to. I'm just trying to understand sprinkling.


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Re: Baptism question [message #188889 is a reply to message #188885 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lisa R.  is currently offline Lisa R.
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I think it would be nice of polls would let you answer twice. Smile I was sprinkled at confirmation when I was 12, and then immersed as an adult when we joined an denomination that believed in the importance of believer's baptism (by immersion). It appears to me that the example in the Bible is immersion, and I, personally, don't know where the concept of sprinkling comes from unless it was a matter of practicality when there was no place to immerse. Frankly, I wouldn't necessarily not join a church who sprinkled, though I would still immerse my family. Method of baptism wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me--except that most churches who sprinkle also do infant baptism, but that discussion would move this to hot topics. Smile


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Re: Baptism question [message #188893 is a reply to message #188885 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I answered immersed as an adult b/c that's the only one I had a say in. I was sprinkled as a baby b/c my dad's church does it that way.


Chris, GA
Re: Baptism question [message #188894 is a reply to message #188893 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 12:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carrie L  is currently offline Carrie L
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I was baptized when I was eight. Not sure where the sprinkling comes from. Maybe for those who believe in infant baptism it's a matter of safety/practicality. Can't see immersing an infant.
Is it OK to refer to Strong's concordance here? The word means to whelm, i.e. to fully wet.


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Re: Baptism question [message #188910 is a reply to message #188894 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am in the same boat as Lisa R. I was sprinkled when I was an infant The German government would not allow my parents to get married unless my dad swore that all the children would be raised catholic (my dad was protestant). So, my dad swore and when I was a baby I was taken to the Catholic church and sprinkled. Neither of my parents were religious at all and never went to church (and never have since!)

When I lived with my grandparents they took me to church. When I was a teenager I was invited to church youth group by a friend from school and I got involved in church then. I was eventually "dunked" and baptized again.


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Re: Baptism question [message #188950 is a reply to message #188889 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Linda Lee  is currently offline Linda Lee
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Quote:

It appears to me that the example in the Bible is immersion


I was wondering if you could point out some Scriptures that actually say people were dunked or immersed. I know that some baptisms were done at rivers, but I didn't think that it actually specified how it was done.


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Re: Baptism question [message #188953 is a reply to message #188885 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Linda Lee  is currently offline Linda Lee
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From what I understand, the Hebrew priests often sprinkled water in a ceremonial cleansings. Perhaps that's where sprinkling started.

According to our Greek dictionary, the word means to immerse, soak, wash, or pour.

Our church doesn't immerse or sprinkle. We pour. Smile Maybe you need to adjust your poll? Wink

I think the meaning of baptism is more important than the form.


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Re: Baptism question [message #188980 is a reply to message #188885 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sprinkled as a baby and immersed as an adult. Just as you can't choose salvation for someone, it doesn't make sense that you can choose baptism for them either. The Bible says to believe and be baptized, not be baptized and then believe! Smile

As for immersion, I think it is important because of the passage beginning at Romans 6:3. The idea is that you are being baptized to identify with Jesus as being buried with Him and raised to a new life. The symbolism definitely gets lost with mere sprinkling or pouring!


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Re: Baptism question [message #188987 is a reply to message #188980 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Linda Lee  is currently offline Linda Lee
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The Bible says to believe and be baptized, not be baptized and then believe!


Actually it doesn't say "then" period. It just says to do them both.

Not wanting to debate (BTDT!), but I just thought I'd throw that in there. Twisted Evil Very Happy



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Re: Baptism question [message #188990 is a reply to message #188950 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. Mt. 3:16

Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized.John 3:23 (How much water would be needed for sprinkling/pouring? Much less than for dunking).

Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. Acts 8:36

Those are not sure-fire verses to "prove" immersion because you could technically go "down into" or "come up out of" the water without actually going under, so I concede that. But if you go to all the trouble of going down into the river, you may as well go ahead and get wet! Smile Of course, if you look at all the Sunday School pictures, you'll see for yourself that they went under the water! Wink Laughing

Seriously, though, my understanding includes it as being a sort of "picture" or representation, based on Romans 3:4, which says, "We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."

You don't get the same "picture" with sprinkling or pouring.



Strong's says of the word, ""to baptize," primarily a frequentative form of bapto, "to dip," was used among the Greeks to signify the dyeing of a garment,"

Another entry in Strong's says, ""baptism," consisting of the processes of immersion, submersion and emergence (from bapto, "to dip"), is used (a) of John's "baptism," (b) of Christian "baptism," see B. below; (c) of the overwhelming afflictions and judgments to which the Lord voluntarily submitted on the cross, e.g., Luk 12:50; (d) of the sufferings His followers would experience, not of a vicarious character, but in fellowship with the sufferings of their Master.

I know Strong's is not the Bible, but I'm also looking at the use of it in the sense of "overwhelming afflictions." We tend to think more of "drowning in our afflictions," rather than "being sprinkled in our afflictions."


Anyway, you're right, and I concede that there are no specific instructions regarding how to be baptized in the Bible. But I strongly believe that if one were reading the words surrounding baptism from the Bible and disregarding tradition, it would seem more likely, at least for me, that it would involved going under the water. Otherwise, they could have stood beside the river instead of going down into it.

However, I'm simply sharing my views. I do not believe baptism or how you do it is essential to salvation, though it is an important act of obedience to the Lord. As I said before, I wouldn't break fellowship over methods of baptism, nor think anyone was less of a Christian for having been baptized differently from me.

I totally agree that the meaning is more important than the form.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Baptism question [message #189019 is a reply to message #188990 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the response, Lisa. I agree that these verses imply baptism by immersion. I don't doubt that immersion may have taken place. I'm definitely not a sprinkle/pour only person.

PS. John may have needed a lot of water, dunking or no dunking, for the reason that many people were coming at once. Perhaps he had help of other disciples. Just a theory, ableit a weak one, perhaps. Rolling Eyes Very Happy


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Re: Baptism question [message #189049 is a reply to message #188885 ] Sun, 26 November 2006 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I voted immersed as an adult because I was saved as an adult. I was also sprinkled as a baby.


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Re: Baptism question [message #189867 is a reply to message #188987 ] Tue, 28 November 2006 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Linda Lee wrote on Sun, 26 November 2006 16:55

Quote:

The Bible says to believe and be baptized, not be baptized and then believe!


Actually it doesn't say "then" period. It just says to do them both.

Not wanting to debate (BTDT!), but I just thought I'd throw that in there. Twisted Evil Very Happy





Okay, okay! You know what I mean! Razz Laughing


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Re: Baptism question [message #189896 is a reply to message #188885 ] Tue, 28 November 2006 20:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe sprinkling came from Hebrews 10:22. I don't know what the original word is, i just read this verse recently and was surprised by the use of it.

Hebrews 10:22
...let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Re: Baptism question [message #189897 is a reply to message #189896 ] Tue, 28 November 2006 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tinaSC wrote on Tue, 28 November 2006 20:22

Maybe sprinkling came from Hebrews 10:22. I don't know what the original word is, i just read this verse recently and was surprised by the use of it.


Well, they did sprinkle blood on the altar with hyssop,and it was part of the cleansing ceremonies. I don't know if that relates to baptism. The verse in Hebrews also speaks having our bodies washed with pure water.


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Re: Baptism question [message #189899 is a reply to message #188885 ] Tue, 28 November 2006 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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True, they don't really seem related exactly. I don't understand the symbolism of sprinkling.
Re: Baptism question [message #190125 is a reply to message #188885 ] Wed, 29 November 2006 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I chose immersion as an adult because that was baptism because of my faith. I was sprinkled as an infant~obivously that wasn't the baptism of faith.


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Re: Baptism question [message #190926 is a reply to message #188885 ] Thu, 30 November 2006 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was also sprinkled as an infant and immersed as an adult.


Lisa

Re: Baptism question [message #191014 is a reply to message #188885 ] Thu, 30 November 2006 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess there should have been another option in the poll!

I was sprinkled as an infant, was confirmed at 12 in one denomination, made profession of faith in a different denomination at 19, and was immersion baptized at 34 in another denomination.

I think I've just about got it covered!

Actually, joking aside, dh and both got 're-baptized' as adults not because the denomination required it for membership, but because we felt that we needed to do it to follow Jesus' example. Total immersion was very powerful for me- a turning point in my walk with the Lord.


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Re: Baptism question [message #192492 is a reply to message #188990 ] Mon, 04 December 2006 02:27 Go to previous message
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Lisa R. wrote on Mon, 27 November 2006 10:57

I do not believe baptism or how you do it is essential to salvation, though it is an important act of obedience to the Lord. As I said before, I wouldn't break fellowship over methods of baptism, nor think anyone was less of a Christian for having been baptized differently from me.

I totally agree that the meaning is more important than the form.


Me too, which is why I never went back and got re-baptized. I was sprinkled as an infant and believe that was a totally valid and "real" baptism. I think I got splashed again at my confirmation, but that was just because others were being immersed. Wink

OTOH, the Greek Orthodox immerse infants, which looks like a cruel practice to me! They always scream!! The C of E sprinkles I guess because it is quieter Wink and warmer, considering the usual climate of England!


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