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Is this an allowed topic? Thoughts??


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Re: Trump [message #816272 is a reply to message #816265 ] Thu, 24 March 2016 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My friend just got done working on his NH campaign Wink


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Re: Trump [message #816277 is a reply to message #816265 ] Thu, 24 March 2016 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Janice, we've talked about presidential campaigns before, if that's what you mean?


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Re: Trump [message #816279 is a reply to message #816265 ] Thu, 24 March 2016 22:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my house we call him "he who shall not be named."


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Re: Trump [message #816280 is a reply to message #816265 ] Thu, 24 March 2016 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm appalled that he has made it this far. I wonder if he even thought he would still be in the race at this point. I still have not ruled out the idea that he is there to destroy the GOP as a way to back Hilary.

I'm very sarcastic. In the beginning, I thought it was funny because Trump would say some of the things I was thinking. However, I never said them out loud nor was I running for president. But, it stopped being funny a long time ago.


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Re: Trump [message #816290 is a reply to message #816265 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think establishment politics thought he would run out of gas long before the first primary, but we see that is not the case. Now everyone is scrambling desperately to do something, as if it came as a surprise that 2016 is a Presidential election year.

There is no religious test for President according to the Constitution, and it does not seem that Christians in office have done much to advance the cause for anything.

There are third party candidates running. Republican and Democrat are not the only choices. And it would be worth investigating how these things are handled in your state. The two major parties control a lot of the rules that deal with ballot access and how candidates are listed.


Leigh
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Re: Trump [message #816291 is a reply to message #816290 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the past couple of election cycles, some of the third party candidates were more widely known. I think the Trump phenomena has kept them widely in the dark, press-wise.

This is the first year I just flatly am not rooting or excited about anyone (and I'm a willing third-party voter). I don't know if things can be reversed, but I think this year is the result of many an election spent voting for the lesser of two evils in a 2-party mindset.

[Updated on: Fri, 25 March 2016 14:14]


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Re: Trump [message #816294 is a reply to message #816265 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I may play "devil's advocate" for one moment?

Trump is the candidate that is easy for many to hate. He's mocked people with disabilities, women, etc....I get that.

Last week, I was thinking about the Apostle Paul, and how he was the least likely person to have his heart turned from being a murderer of Christians to one who followed Christ with his whole heart, and ended up writing most of the New Testament.

Now, I'm not saying that Trump is like the Apostle Paul or anything. BUT, I wondered....the establishment on both sides is railing against this man like none I've ever seen before.

Could it be....could it be that God has a plan for this abrasive, VERY rough around the edges guy?? I don't know...

And my disclaimer here is that I am NOT a Trump supporter, and neither am I a Cruz supporter.

I just wondered is all...could it be that God wants to take this man and hone him, prune him, turn his heart?

No tomatoes, please... Laughing Wink


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Re: Trump [message #816295 is a reply to message #816294 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:51



I just wondered is all...could it be that God wants to take this man and hone him, prune him, turn his heart?


I think this remains God's desire for each individual.


Peace
Re: Trump [message #816296 is a reply to message #816295 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jamie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 18:30

Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:51



I just wondered is all...could it be that God wants to take this man and hone him, prune him, turn his heart?


I think this remains God's desire for each individual.

Yes, of course, Jamie.

For clarification and additional information, I wondered if God had a specific plan for Trump as it concerns this nation, this election, and possibly, even though he seems the least "presidential", who knows if he is someone that God has his eye on for this nation at this time? And IF that is so, then God certainly knows how to prepare the man, change the man, hone the man.

Again, I don't know, and of course, it could be nothing of the sort.

It was just an interesting thought that I had last week, as I was reading in Acts about Saul's conversion to Paul.



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Re: Trump [message #816297 is a reply to message #816296 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:56

Jamie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 18:30

Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:51



I just wondered is all...could it be that God wants to take this man and hone him, prune him, turn his heart?


I think this remains God's desire for each individual.

Yes, of course, Jamie.

For clarification and additional information, I wondered if God had a specific plan for Trump as it concerns this nation, this election, and possibly, even though he seems the least "presidential", who knows if he is someone that God has his eye on for this nation at this time? And IF that is so, then God certainly knows how to prepare the man, change the man, hone the man.

Again, I don't know, and of course, it could be nothing of the sort.

It was just an interesting thought that I had last week, as I was reading in Acts about Saul's conversion to Paul.





Well, I would not vote for him based only on that possibility! The early Christians were understandably suspicious of Paul until the fruits of God's work in him were evident. I believe we should elect a president based on the fruits that are evident in their lives and their work. I think God expects us to be responsible in that way. Based on Galatians 5:22-26...I'm just not seeing it in that particular person.

[Updated on: Fri, 25 March 2016 20:14]


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Re: Trump [message #816298 is a reply to message #816265 ] Fri, 25 March 2016 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My 25yod attended a Trump rally. She said it started at 1:30, and she managed to stay till 1:53 before walking out. She could not imagine anyone less appropriate to run the country. She was disgusted by the way he bullied a cameraman (not a matter of being "down on the media," but calling upon the audience to verbally attack this particular man who was simply doing his job). He went on to make denigrating comments about others, and acted in a completely unprofessional manner, as a common bully toward a number of people.

I have heard similar things about him, but I trust my daughter's judgment implicitly.

I can't vote for him. I just can't. (Those aren't the only reasons, but I don't have much time).

(Also, I hate that our system runs the way it does...Trump won Georgia with 39% of the vote...he wins even thought 69% voted *against* him! Sad )


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Lisa R.
Re: Trump [message #816301 is a reply to message #816297 ] Sat, 26 March 2016 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lisa T. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 20:12

Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:56

Jamie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 18:30

Diana P. wrote on Fri, 25 March 2016 17:51



I just wondered is all...could it be that God wants to take this man and hone him, prune him, turn his heart?


I think this remains God's desire for each individual.

Yes, of course, Jamie.

For clarification and additional information, I wondered if God had a specific plan for Trump as it concerns this nation, this election, and possibly, even though he seems the least "presidential", who knows if he is someone that God has his eye on for this nation at this time? And IF that is so, then God certainly knows how to prepare the man, change the man, hone the man.

Again, I don't know, and of course, it could be nothing of the sort.

It was just an interesting thought that I had last week, as I was reading in Acts about Saul's conversion to Paul.





Well, I would not vote for him based only on that possibility! The early Christians were understandably suspicious of Paul until the fruits of God's work in him were evident. I believe we should elect a president based on the fruits that are evident in their lives and their work. I think God expects us to be responsible in that way. Based on Galatians 5:22-26...I'm just not seeing it in that particular person.


I hear you, Lisa.

I also have seen and heard enough credible information about other candidates that makes me think, NO WAY, about them as well.

November is going to be tough!


Grace & Peace,
Diana

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Re: Trump [message #816314 is a reply to message #816265 ] Sat, 26 March 2016 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I find him offensive and rude. I don't know what I will do should it be he and the lady that end up being my choices.


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Re: Trump [message #816315 is a reply to message #816314 ] Sat, 26 March 2016 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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K in nc wrote on Sat, 26 March 2016 18:16

I find him offensive and rude. I don't know what I will do should it be he and the lady that end up being my choices.

Very difficult election year, for sure!

I do know beyond the shadow of a doubt, I will NEVER vote for "that lady"...ever.


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Re: Trump [message #816316 is a reply to message #816314 ] Sat, 26 March 2016 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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K in nc wrote on Sat, 26 March 2016 17:16

I find him offensive and rude. I don't know what I will do should it be he and the lady that end up being my choices.


There are other choices. Libertarian, Consitution, Green, etc. Look up the candidates and see where they stand on the issues most important to you. Subscribe to their FB pages. The news will come right to you.

Speaking to the vulgarity: I think this is something to think about, but it is not a definition. We have found out after the fact that other elected officials presented one way during a campaign, but were really very different.

We have a President that was at a ball game then went out dancing the day Belgium was attacked. Americans died there. That seems very vulgar to me.

I think of all the qualities Trump has, his financial know-how would be a big plus. He could pick up a budget and digest it quickly, and I don't see him having any problem going on camera and saying, "We are paying for what? Are you kidding me?"

I have not yet decided what I will do come November because all the decisions leading to November have not been made. What I think is that Trump is the symptom, not the disease. We regular folks have not been heard, told the truth, or respected in a long time, and look who steps up with a promise to change that. I'm not wild about this.

I think this is why the Bible tells us to lift up holy hands and pray for government and all in authority. It's not so we can get our way, but so we can live quiet and peaceable lives. God is not willing that anyone should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[Updated on: Sat, 26 March 2016 18:53]


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Re: Trump [message #818434 is a reply to message #816265 ] Wed, 28 September 2016 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How are you all feeling at this point?


Dina ....... HE has made me glad!
Re: Trump [message #818435 is a reply to message #816265 ] Wed, 28 September 2016 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am praying.


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Re: Trump [message #818443 is a reply to message #818434 ] Thu, 29 September 2016 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dina wrote on Wed, 28 September 2016 19:59

How are you all feeling at this point?


Disgusted. Discouraged. Frustrated. Resigned....


And clinging to the Lord, knowing that whatever happens, He is still sovereign.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
Re: Trump [message #818458 is a reply to message #816265 ] Sun, 02 October 2016 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I find myself shocked, disgusted and some times bemused all at the same time ... And beyond knowing what to do come election day .... I do sense God's hand in it all, though for the life of me I can't even begin to imagine what life in the US will be after the election ...

The country is so divided at this point no matter who is elected there will be a part of the country that will cry foul and be mad ..

Confused

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Re: Trump [message #818459 is a reply to message #816265 ] Sun, 02 October 2016 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The sad fact is, ONE of those candidates is going to win; either the Republican or the Democrat. The political system is so firmly entrenched in both of these parties, that they are not ready to elect a 3rd party candidate.


I'm not sure about my vote, except this I do know: since coming to the Lord at age 25, I have NEVER voted for any candidate who was unabashedly pro-abortion, and I will not start now. Laws or no laws, constitution or no constitution, I would never vote for someone who thinks it's ok to rip a full term, 3rd trimester baby out of its mother's womb.

That's a personal, conscience-driven thing between me and the Lord, as I have searched out His word over the years.

No matter what else, I am firmly in the #neverhilary camp.


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Diana

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Re: Trump [message #818491 is a reply to message #816265 ] Sun, 09 October 2016 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, since Trump said he thought Iran and North Korea should be able to get nuclear weapons I think he has gone off the deep end. He acts like he knows nothing about how to negotiate with world leaders. I think he would head us into a war!

Hillary knows foreign policy and how to bargain with these people. Her domestic "ideas" are horrific in my view.

Gary Johnson is not very bright at times but at least he is not riding the crazy train like the other two are. Sad

so there ya go!

~Rosemary



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Re: Trump [message #818495 is a reply to message #816265 ] Sun, 09 October 2016 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary Johnson has way too many skeletons in the closet for me to consider voting for him. He has shady investments in cannibis. I wouldn't vote for him on a dare. He has said he would force Jews to bake Nazi cakes. What that means is that he would bring the full force of government to bear on people of faith to do things that violate the most deeply held religious beliefs. He said he believes the EPA is a legitimate use of government. He said he would cut some parts of the US budget so he would have more money to give people. That's not any kind of fiscal conservativism. It's our money to begin with, and he should not be looking to redistribute anything. I am a love of liberty, and Gary Johnson looks nothing like liberty to me.

This whole thing boils down to the fact that the RNC and the DNC and the LP have been asleep at the wheel. They thought a good candidate was going to appear out of thin air, and it hasn't. But the RNC, the DNC, have done everything they can to control the process. State parties control the means of ballot access, primary eligibility, and the whole ball of wax, and they are controlled by the RNC and the DNC. I have seen this corruption up close and personal.


Leigh
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Re: Trump [message #818504 is a reply to message #816265 ] Mon, 10 October 2016 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So, here is what I posted on FB just a few minutes ago:

I have been avoiding entering this conversation since I have no interest in debate. But, the closer we get to the election, the more I feel the need to simply state an opinion that I have not heard from many Christians. This is my opinion and you can take it or leave it. 

For most Christians, there is no chance of ever voting for Clinton. Even if she were not corrupt, she stands for everything we are against. I whole-heartedly agree with this. But, when it comes to Trump, I keep hearing the, “But…the Supreme Court!” argument or, “I’m voting for the lesser of the two evils.”

The problem with the first argument is that it puts God in such a small box! As if He were limited by the laws of the United States. There are so many ways that I can see God working around this that don’t call on those who identifies with Him to vote for an evil man. God could save Clinton or the Supreme Court Justices, Justices could unexpectedly retire or die (not what I’m wishing for, just stating a possibility), or this could be a time of famine that our country needs to go through in order for revival to happen. Obviously, that is not something anyone would wish for, but it is how God has worked many times in the past. And those are just some of my very limited ideas. God could use this situation in ways no man has ever dreamed.

Then, there is the second argument. This is the one that I struggle to understand. The Bible is clear on what our response should be to evil (even the “lesser” evil):

- Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. (Proverbs 4: 14-15)

- Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (Romans 16:17)

- Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:22)

- My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. … My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path: (Proverbs 1:10, 15)


How, then, can we justify aligning ourselves with a man that we ourselves call only the lesser evil? Where does God’s Word instruct us to choose the lesser evil because we don’t think He could handle the outcome if we don’t?

For me, I will be clinging to His promise in 2 Chronicles 2:7. “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”


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Re: Trump [message #818505 is a reply to message #818504 ] Mon, 10 October 2016 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm right there with ya. I believe we've come to the place where we are because we've chosen the lesser of two evils for so many decades. It allows more and more evil to prevail, and soon the "lesser" is still pretty darn evil.

I am reminded that no government is in place which God has not put into place. And that (whether we ever were or not) we are not actually a Christian nation, and this is not a theocracy.

As I seek to honor God and to do what is right, I am frustrated by the passages that say government punished evil and upholds the righteous, because I am afraid I will be punished wrongly. But that verse isn't necessary talking about individuals. Our nation is pretty much a godless nation, set on a godless path. Christians are definitely the few. It may be that a time of judgment is coming.

I hope not, but...

Also, we tend to forget that the events preceding the second coming of Christ are not all rosy and politically favoring Christians. There will be wars and rumors of wars, etc., and a one-world government. As things progress down that path, it's just not going to be rosy. Sad


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I think this election cycle is, as Ron Paul writes, a gift. The government, the candidates, and the media have finally been exposed for what they are. Our job is to pray and walk worthy of our calling.


Leigh
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Clicking through news story before I head off for work. I don't think it is mere politics that caused Trump to surround himself with Christians. I don't know how to take some of what I'm reading, but I guess we can pray that God brings truth to light.


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Re: Trump [message #820663 is a reply to message #816265 ] Fri, 13 October 2017 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am bumping this thread because I am hearing tiny whispers that Trump seems to be converting. He gave a very strong encouraging speech last week bout the Las Vegas massacre. He has support faith based companies on birth control. He has surrounded himslef with good, strong Christians. I feel very hopeful.

Now that it's been a year, what do you think?


Leigh
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I really haven't paid attention to much beyond headlines recently. I have a prayer list, but confess I've not been as faithful to the "leaders" part of it as I should. I'll step up the prayers and check things out more.


Blessings,
Lisa R.
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Leigh wrote on Fri, 13 October 2017 21:30



Now that it's been a year, what do you think?


I think he's a horrible person. It sickens me that he got elected president.

[Updated on: Mon, 16 October 2017 20:11]

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I see some hopeful things happening, so maybe we can pray and not faint.

Trump is someone who did not *need* to be President. He had a very good life in New York and coming to Washington was really kind of a step down for him. It uprooted his wife, who has business interests, and their son, who was in school there.

I get a sense that the Trumps have had their eyes opened during the campaign and since the election. They seem to have fallen in love with the American people and I think they kind of respect us. It's a different vibe. I know Trump has surrounded himself with very solid Christians and I can't help but think he is listening to them.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 October 2017 10:05]


Leigh
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Re: Trump [message #820697 is a reply to message #820693 ] Tue, 17 October 2017 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Leigh wrote on Tue, 17 October 2017 09:00

I see some hopeful things happening, so maybe we can pray and not faint.



I get a sense that the Trumps have had their eyes opened during the campaign and since the election. They seem to have fallen in love with the American people and I think they kind of respect us. It's a different vibe. I know Trump has surrounded himself with very solid Christians and I can't help but think he is listening to them.

As of today, none of the above has happened.

eta - they hate living in the Whitehouse. It's below their standards.

[Updated on: Tue, 17 October 2017 16:45]

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Leigh wrote on Tue, 17 October 2017 07:00

I see some hopeful things happening, so maybe we can pray and not faint.

Trump is someone who did not *need* to be President. He had a very good life in New York and coming to Washington was really kind of a step down for him. It uprooted his wife, who has business interests, and their son, who was in school there.

I get a sense that the Trumps have had their eyes opened during the campaign and since the election. They seem to have fallen in love with the American people and I think they kind of respect us. It's a different vibe. I know Trump has surrounded himself with very solid Christians and I can't help but think he is listening to them.


I agree, Leigh.


I have not achieved it, but I focus on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, I press on to reach the end of the race and receive the heavenly prize for which God, through Christ Jesus, is calling us. ~Phil 3:13-14~
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Thanks, and I want to point out that of all the promises made to those of us devoted to right-to-life, Trump is the first one to actually sign an order moving in that direction. He signed an executive order allowing the abortafacient birth control exemption for faith-based companies, and that's nothing for us to overlook.


Leigh
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~~Benjamin Franklin

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Leigh wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 14:51

Thanks, and I want to point out that of all the promises made to those of us devoted to right-to-life, Trump is the first one to actually sign an order moving in that direction. He signed an executive order allowing the abortafacient birth control exemption for faith-based companies, and that's nothing for us to overlook.


He wanted his second wife Marla to have an abortion before they were married. She didn't. He was not happy with her decision.

[Updated on: Wed, 18 October 2017 17:37]

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Leigh wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 15:51

Thanks, and I want to point out that of all the promises made to those of us devoted to right-to-life, Trump is the first one to actually sign an order moving in that direction. He signed an executive order allowing the abortafacient birth control exemption for faith-based companies, and that's nothing for us to overlook.


I can appreciate this, too.


Peace
Re: Trump [message #820786 is a reply to message #820707 ] Fri, 03 November 2017 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jen wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 17:31

Leigh wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 14:51

Thanks, and I want to point out that of all the promises made to those of us devoted to right-to-life, Trump is the first one to actually sign an order moving in that direction. He signed an executive order allowing the abortafacient birth control exemption for faith-based companies, and that's nothing for us to overlook.


He wanted his second wife Marla to have an abortion before they were married. She didn't. He was not happy with her decision.


Jen, I think some of what Leigh is saying is that he is showing signs of change into better directions.

I don't care for everything he does, either, but as a Christian, my Bible tells me that ANYONE can change for the better. How many years ago was Trump married to Marla? Is it not conceivable that he no longer feels the same?

One of the issues that I have with the mainstream media is that they will dredge up sins and opinions from long time ago, and fly it in the face of the person and the rest of us, never taking into consideration that something about the person may have changed since that opinion was spoken, or that particular action taken.

I am not a Trump groupie, by the way....I am a person that likes to look at all aspects of a person or situation, and I am someone who firmly believes that people can change for the better, given the opportunity.

Jesus never gave up on me, and for that, I am forever grateful.


Grace & Peace,
Diana

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Trump is expected to nominate Penny Nance as Ambassador for Women. She is prolife, and for traditional marriage and values. Kind of an anti-feminist. Interesting.


Leigh
Tennessee

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

~~Benjamin Franklin

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Jamie
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Diana P. wrote on Fri, 03 November 2017 14:34

jen wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 17:31

Leigh wrote on Wed, 18 October 2017 14:51

Thanks, and I want to point out that of all the promises made to those of us devoted to right-to-life, Trump is the first one to actually sign an order moving in that direction. He signed an executive order allowing the abortafacient birth control exemption for faith-based companies, and that's nothing for us to overlook.


He wanted his second wife Marla to have an abortion before they were married. She didn't. He was not happy with her decision.


Jen, I think some of what Leigh is saying is that he is showing signs of change into better directions.

I don't care for everything he does, either, but as a Christian, my Bible tells me that ANYONE can change for the better. How many years ago was Trump married to Marla? Is it not conceivable that he no longer feels the same?

One of the issues that I have with the mainstream media is that they will dredge up sins and opinions from long time ago, and fly it in the face of the person and the rest of us, never taking into consideration that something about the person may have changed since that opinion was spoken, or that particular action taken.

I am not a Trump groupie, by the way....I am a person that likes to look at all aspects of a person or situation, and I am someone who firmly believes that people can change for the better, given the opportunity.

Jesus never gave up on me, and for that, I am forever grateful.



I agree, people can change on positions. As for the quote attributing Trump wanted Marla to have an abortion doesn't actually say that. Now, he may have meant that he desired one for her, he may have not. The quote is vague enough to inferred to however one opts to interpret.


Peace
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